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<blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 5884975" data-attributes="member: 52073"><p>So I suppose all of my comments that martial classes should be boosted, and my suggestion of several things that would make the martial daily issue palatable mere sentences after that quote, somehow mean I'm demanding fighters be inferior to wizards...?</p><p></p><p>I say again, I am perfectly happy to have fighters with abilities on the same power level as wizards' spells, and I want high-level fighters to be Hercules and Cú Chulainn as much as the next guy. I just don't think daily powers are the way to do it. Action points, fate points, healing surges, fatigue-based, per hour, per scene, random recharge, or something else, all of those are power use schedules that are different from the spellcasting schedule and, more importantly, don't feel as artificial as per day. If your justification for martial dailies is "You only get the right opening to use them at such-and-such a time," give them some sort of action/fate/plot/whatever points governing their usage. If the justification is "It's very taxing to use those powers," give them some sort of fatigue or random recharge system (or better yet, build battle fatigue into the base system and hook martial "dailies" into that). If the justification is "They can only use them when it's dramatically appropriate," well, you should probably put the same limitations on casters.</p><p></p><p>Look at the 4e psionics system: you have a bunch of encounter powers, and a bunch of power points, and you can upgrade your encounter powers into daily-equivalents using power points, so you aren't locked into the same AEDU structure every other class has. Psion "daily powers" are (in theory, at least) equivalent to other sources' daily powers, but they don't have to use daily powers 1/day each, so they have a more organic/logical feel. Why couldn't martial powers use <em>that</em> sort of system, where they have the same power as a magical class but a resource system that is different, tactically and flavor-wise, from the magical classes? Why does "I don't like martial dailies, use a different resource system" automatically translate to "I love wizards and hate fighters"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eldritch_Lord, post: 5884975, member: 52073"] So I suppose all of my comments that martial classes should be boosted, and my suggestion of several things that would make the martial daily issue palatable mere sentences after that quote, somehow mean I'm demanding fighters be inferior to wizards...? I say again, I am perfectly happy to have fighters with abilities on the same power level as wizards' spells, and I want high-level fighters to be Hercules and Cú Chulainn as much as the next guy. I just don't think daily powers are the way to do it. Action points, fate points, healing surges, fatigue-based, per hour, per scene, random recharge, or something else, all of those are power use schedules that are different from the spellcasting schedule and, more importantly, don't feel as artificial as per day. If your justification for martial dailies is "You only get the right opening to use them at such-and-such a time," give them some sort of action/fate/plot/whatever points governing their usage. If the justification is "It's very taxing to use those powers," give them some sort of fatigue or random recharge system (or better yet, build battle fatigue into the base system and hook martial "dailies" into that). If the justification is "They can only use them when it's dramatically appropriate," well, you should probably put the same limitations on casters. Look at the 4e psionics system: you have a bunch of encounter powers, and a bunch of power points, and you can upgrade your encounter powers into daily-equivalents using power points, so you aren't locked into the same AEDU structure every other class has. Psion "daily powers" are (in theory, at least) equivalent to other sources' daily powers, but they don't have to use daily powers 1/day each, so they have a more organic/logical feel. Why couldn't martial powers use [I]that[/I] sort of system, where they have the same power as a magical class but a resource system that is different, tactically and flavor-wise, from the magical classes? Why does "I don't like martial dailies, use a different resource system" automatically translate to "I love wizards and hate fighters"? [/QUOTE]
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