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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5886151" data-attributes="member: 22779">3e is mechanically far closer to 4e than it is to 1e.  Virtually every single mechanic in 1e is absent in 3e - variable xp tables exchanged for unified xp advancement, completely reworked caster systems (Save DC's based on caster, number of spells per day, sheer number of spells in the books, changing spells based on feats), combat mechanics that are entirely different, addition of feats, completely different system for balancing encounters, on and on and on.I know people want to distance themselves from 4e, but, this is pretty easily disproved.  4e mechanics are very much d20 based and virtually all 4e mechanics appeared at some point or other in 3e D&D.But that's the thing.  No they don't.  I wish I had bookmarked the thread, but, there's been multiple instances of taking 4e surge mechanics and recreating 3e healing with a couple of minor tweaks.  Disconnect being able to access surges from individual characters and give the power back to clerics or items and you're done.  It takes about two sentences.As far as martial dailies go, yeah, you could pull them out.  Let's be honest, it's already done in Essentials.  Not a major deal.Then add them in.  That's easy enough.  They don't need to be in the base mechanics, because that would make them too restrictive.  But, adding it in to recreate other editions isn't that difficult.That's why game designers get the big bucks.  My point is, it's not about being right or wrong.  It's about being able to at least attempt to be objective.  Now, is it possible to get this from other magic systems.  If we went with an AEDU system, the stripped out the at-wills, would it work.  Now, Galen isn't really a D&D wizard at all, so, using him as an archetype is a bit difficult.  But, if we did drop the at-wills for wizards, but kept encounters, would that satisfy people?  I don't know.</blockquote>

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