Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zustiur" data-source="post: 5893778" data-attributes="member: 1544">Yes, I should have said 'simulation with abstraction'. I wasn't trying to say "DnD was build THIS way, or with THAT in mind"; I was saying that it always felt to me like it had been built as a simulation of a fantasy reality. Yes, some parts are abstracted, but only because they have to be. Hit points always made sense to me, as did Vancian casting. The biggest disconnect I ever felt in earlier editions was the 'cure light wounds' being more effective at lower level than 'cure critical wounds' is at high level, and that didn't really bother me.That is very revealing, in more ways than you might expect.Some observations:1) Your party is the same level as mine2) We'll never get a level 7 combat.3) With my players/characters, we would have TPKed by encounter G.This means that 4a) You (The DM) are a lot less nasty in terms of how you control the monsters, or4b) Your players and their characters are a lot more effective than ours.The level 7 encounter, and the regain encounter powers on a standard action thing make me suspect 4a is correct.4b might also be correct, but I've not got enough information to go on.The fact that after 5 battles the party was then able to survive 4 battles with no short rest means there is something very different indeed about the way your group plays.To throw one example on the table; our party rogue is typically out of surges after the second, or maybe the third battle.As mentioned in another thread; it was 4E where I first experienced the '15 minute adventuring day' problem. We typically wanted an extended rest after the 2nd battle, until the DM ridiculed us for it.Mind you, party composition has always played a factor. We didn't have a leader in the party from level 4 to level 12. During that time we had 1 defender, 1 controller (who was built more as a striker) and 3 strikers.In theory this meant we had lots of power to take down monsters quickly. In practice it meant we had no healing other than second wind and potions, and we went down just as fast, if not faster than the monsters.Granted, but how do they role play it exactly? How do they deal with encounters and dailies, in character?Of course there are hundreds of differences, I wouldn't ever claim otherwise. I was talking about how it feels when we're in combat. Story goes out the window until the combat is over, and then story resumes. Any interest I have in the situation is diminished during combat, despite some truly sterling role-play from the characters. As a side note, it's that same in battle character role play that is often our downfall. Due to the character backgrounds/personalities (and to a certain extent, the player backgrounds/personalities) there is little to no strategic or tactical coordination. This makes every battle a meat grinder, regardless of it's intended encounter level.</blockquote>

Verification