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Why is the Vancian system still so popular?
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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5895243" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>That sounds kind of cool when you write it out. Was it good or bad in actual play?</p><p></p><p>You're making your party sound almost comically inept! Why is your defender so incompetent?</p><p></p><p>As to burning through resources, sometimes they will do it quite quickly (as far as daily powers go, for example) but othertimes can be very conservative. And they can shift their style of engagement fairly effectively too, amping up the aggression or the defence as the situation seems to demand.</p><p></p><p>After our session yesterday, the party has almost no dailies left (the wizard has Wall of Fire, the fighter Jackal Strike, and that may be it). The fighter and the paladin are around half their surges gone, and the other PCs have used probably 2 or 3 each (so probably one third gone). But each PC has just gained an action point, and the paladin's AC has increased by 1, due to his Meliorating Armour. They are currently beseiged in a temple with an army of hobgoblins outside (mechanically, I would be run the army as a mixture of minions and phalanx swarms).</p><p></p><p>They are not sure how to escape, but are tossing up between an Underdark retreat, using Phantom Steed to try and summon flying mounts (they have plenty of components, but would need a 15+ on the d20 roll), or just fighting their way out.</p><p></p><p>I would expect the fight to be fairly challenging, but with a fully bevy of action points, plus encounter powers back, I would expect them to be able to do it! They are definitely hard to take down. (The attempt I think would have to be resolved as a mix of combat and skill challenge.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5895243, member: 42582"] That sounds kind of cool when you write it out. Was it good or bad in actual play? You're making your party sound almost comically inept! Why is your defender so incompetent? As to burning through resources, sometimes they will do it quite quickly (as far as daily powers go, for example) but othertimes can be very conservative. And they can shift their style of engagement fairly effectively too, amping up the aggression or the defence as the situation seems to demand. After our session yesterday, the party has almost no dailies left (the wizard has Wall of Fire, the fighter Jackal Strike, and that may be it). The fighter and the paladin are around half their surges gone, and the other PCs have used probably 2 or 3 each (so probably one third gone). But each PC has just gained an action point, and the paladin's AC has increased by 1, due to his Meliorating Armour. They are currently beseiged in a temple with an army of hobgoblins outside (mechanically, I would be run the army as a mixture of minions and phalanx swarms). They are not sure how to escape, but are tossing up between an Underdark retreat, using Phantom Steed to try and summon flying mounts (they have plenty of components, but would need a 15+ on the d20 roll), or just fighting their way out. I would expect the fight to be fairly challenging, but with a fully bevy of action points, plus encounter powers back, I would expect them to be able to do it! They are definitely hard to take down. (The attempt I think would have to be resolved as a mix of combat and skill challenge.) [/QUOTE]
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