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<blockquote data-quote="king_ghidorah" data-source="post: 3757602" data-attributes="member: 18404">* Defined party roles exist now. They are called character classes. Clerics cast defensive spells and heal; Fighters take damage and have the best armor, but don't do the most damage; rogues are fast and do large damage due to sneak attacks; wizards and sorcerers do ranged damage and have control abilities. The defined roles in WoW and other MMORPGs are derived from D&amp;D, not the other way around.* Per encounter abilities go back at least to the early-mid eighties when groups started developing spell point systems to replace vancian magic.Using those two as convincing examples of deep, clear connections to WoW is rather unconvincing, since when I left playing AD&amp;D 1st edition in the 1980s, the reasons were:* to escape the narrow roles of D&amp;D and* to have systems that allowed easier and more sensical per-encounter type powers.These sorts of innovations greatly predate WoW, and are common in non-D&amp;D RPGs. Could it perhaps be that the designers have played a wide number of RPGs, both tabletop and computer, and are trying to incorporate what they consider the best from all into D&amp;D? And that WoW is not the ultimate model for all changes?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="king_ghidorah, post: 3757602, member: 18404"] * Defined party roles exist now. They are called character classes. Clerics cast defensive spells and heal; Fighters take damage and have the best armor, but don't do the most damage; rogues are fast and do large damage due to sneak attacks; wizards and sorcerers do ranged damage and have control abilities. The defined roles in WoW and other MMORPGs are derived from D&D, not the other way around. * Per encounter abilities go back at least to the early-mid eighties when groups started developing spell point systems to replace vancian magic. Using those two as convincing examples of deep, clear connections to WoW is rather unconvincing, since when I left playing AD&D 1st edition in the 1980s, the reasons were: * to escape the narrow roles of D&D and * to have systems that allowed easier and more sensical per-encounter type powers. These sorts of innovations greatly predate WoW, and are common in non-D&D RPGs. Could it perhaps be that the designers have played a wide number of RPGs, both tabletop and computer, and are trying to incorporate what they consider the best from all into D&D? And that WoW is not the ultimate model for all changes? [/QUOTE]

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