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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7967940" data-attributes="member: 18">Dude, sneering at facts because they relate to art, is a pretty bad show, frankly. What next &quot;Art majors eh? Hahaha&quot;. This isn't &quot;a matter of opinion&quot;. The way forgery works is extremely well-established.The idea of a &quot;forgery kit&quot; in D&amp;D as a separate proficiency from &quot;calligrapher's supplies&quot; is fundamentally ridiculous. Nothing is going to get away from that. The best you can do is treat &quot;Forgery Kit&quot; as the equivalent of a &quot;Martial Weapon Proficiency&quot;, and &quot;calligrapher's supplies&quot; as a &quot;Simple Weapon Proficiency&quot;. The forgery kit is just better than the calligrapher's supplies. It's 1d8 vs 1d6 or whatever. Anything the calligrapher can do, the forger can do. And with a bit of practice and the right materials, the calligrapher can probably forge things pretty damn well.Sure. But if so, re: magic seal or wizard-fabricated documents, the big challenge is getting those things, because the forgery can't succeed without them, and it should make no difference which kit you have proficiency in, because you're not actually using that kit, you're using a skill, and the materials are the key part.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7967940, member: 18"] Dude, sneering at facts because they relate to art, is a pretty bad show, frankly. What next "Art majors eh? Hahaha". This isn't "a matter of opinion". The way forgery works is extremely well-established. The idea of a "forgery kit" in D&D as a separate proficiency from "calligrapher's supplies" is fundamentally ridiculous. Nothing is going to get away from that. The best you can do is treat "Forgery Kit" as the equivalent of a "Martial Weapon Proficiency", and "calligrapher's supplies" as a "Simple Weapon Proficiency". The forgery kit is just better than the calligrapher's supplies. It's 1d8 vs 1d6 or whatever. Anything the calligrapher can do, the forger can do. And with a bit of practice and the right materials, the calligrapher can probably forge things pretty damn well. Sure. But if so, re: magic seal or wizard-fabricated documents, the big challenge is getting those things, because the forgery can't succeed without them, and it should make no difference which kit you have proficiency in, because you're not actually using that kit, you're using a skill, and the materials are the key part. [/QUOTE]

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