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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7968705" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>I disagree, here. One may be a masterful copier, taking a year to replicate a painting in a painstaking process, and yet not be able to successfully be a painter. I think there are a few cases of a middling to poor painter creating very good forgeries. And, remember, using a tool untrained just means you don't get a proficiency bonus. So, you can be an excellent forgery of paintings, but not be considered a 'painter'.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There's more to it than this. You're simplifying to create an equivalency that doesn't really exist. It's not a matter of buying the right supplies -- if it were that easy, then forgeries would be easy. It's a matter of knowing what you actually need to make a forgery or, how to use supplies to create a false effect than appears to be a true one. Painting weather in a few decades. It's not just a matter of getting the right paint.</p><p></p><p>But, we're in the weeds, here, arguing details. The point is, undetected forgeries cost, and people take extra care to protect against forgeries. It's not a matter of getting close in style -- if it were that easy, there's never be surety of authenticity. So, there must be something to forging things (documents, paintings, etc.) that's going above and beyond to foil the detection methods in place. We don't need to know what those details are because we can just leverage the forgery kit proficiency to tell us if a PC does a good enough job on those details to pass off a fake.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a squirrel argument. That water vehicles can be pointed at as applying to a broad category of water vehicles may or may not be a compelling argument, but it doesn't have much to do with forgery kits.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7968705, member: 16814"] I disagree, here. One may be a masterful copier, taking a year to replicate a painting in a painstaking process, and yet not be able to successfully be a painter. I think there are a few cases of a middling to poor painter creating very good forgeries. And, remember, using a tool untrained just means you don't get a proficiency bonus. So, you can be an excellent forgery of paintings, but not be considered a 'painter'. There's more to it than this. You're simplifying to create an equivalency that doesn't really exist. It's not a matter of buying the right supplies -- if it were that easy, then forgeries would be easy. It's a matter of knowing what you actually need to make a forgery or, how to use supplies to create a false effect than appears to be a true one. Painting weather in a few decades. It's not just a matter of getting the right paint. But, we're in the weeds, here, arguing details. The point is, undetected forgeries cost, and people take extra care to protect against forgeries. It's not a matter of getting close in style -- if it were that easy, there's never be surety of authenticity. So, there must be something to forging things (documents, paintings, etc.) that's going above and beyond to foil the detection methods in place. We don't need to know what those details are because we can just leverage the forgery kit proficiency to tell us if a PC does a good enough job on those details to pass off a fake. This is a squirrel argument. That water vehicles can be pointed at as applying to a broad category of water vehicles may or may not be a compelling argument, but it doesn't have much to do with forgery kits. [/QUOTE]
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