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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 8029697" data-attributes="member: 53980">Yes. Of course they're less exploitive. Those are specific movement-based special effects that allow you to get down a high cliff without issue.The barbarian character is using player knowledge of HP and the falling rules to meta game their way down the cliff. If they had 20 HP left, they never would have even suggested that, since they'd have known it could kill them.If the barbarian had a helm of teleportation, or a gnomish parachute, or a feature that allowed them to fly, those would work just as well as the spells you mentioned. They would not be exploiting the rules nor would they be meta gaming.I suppose that in a campaign where HP are interpreted as making you an ablative version of Superman (nothing can hurt you until you reach 0 HP) then leaping off a 1500' cliff wouldn't be meta-gaming, since a character would have a sense that swords just bounce off their rock hard skin (until they don't), so why not the same with the fall?That's not how HP are handled IMC. They are skill and luck. The fire giant's sword doesn't bounce off your rock hard skull when you get hit, you simply manage to dodge what would have been a killing blow for a lesser hero. That will apply in most circumstances, but it assumes good faith. If you jump off the 1500' cliff without a reason, that's not in good faith and I will warn you that doing so will result in your character's death. Similarly, your character intentionally stabbing themself in the heart is also something HP cannot shield them from.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 8029697, member: 53980"] Yes. Of course they're less exploitive. Those are specific movement-based special effects that allow you to get down a high cliff without issue. The barbarian character is using player knowledge of HP and the falling rules to meta game their way down the cliff. If they had 20 HP left, they never would have even suggested that, since they'd have known it could kill them. If the barbarian had a helm of teleportation, or a gnomish parachute, or a feature that allowed them to fly, those would work just as well as the spells you mentioned. They would not be exploiting the rules nor would they be meta gaming. I suppose that in a campaign where HP are interpreted as making you an ablative version of Superman (nothing can hurt you until you reach 0 HP) then leaping off a 1500' cliff wouldn't be meta-gaming, since a character would have a sense that swords just bounce off their rock hard skin (until they don't), so why not the same with the fall? That's not how HP are handled IMC. They are skill and luck. The fire giant's sword doesn't bounce off your rock hard skull when you get hit, you simply manage to dodge what would have been a killing blow for a lesser hero. That will apply in most circumstances, but it assumes good faith. If you jump off the 1500' cliff without a reason, that's not in good faith and I will warn you that doing so will result in your character's death. Similarly, your character intentionally stabbing themself in the heart is also something HP cannot shield them from. [/QUOTE]

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