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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8031753" data-attributes="member: 29398">First off, you don't fumble by just rollign a 1/d20, you need to confirm it (1/d6).Second off, while maybe it's white-room theoretically possible a Fighter could get 8 attacks every round in my game (and it'd certainly involve a Haste spell!) I might throw in my DM hat if I ever see this arise in play.Thinking it through, unless I'm missing something the best a 25th+-level Fighter could do here if fully tricked out and Hasted would be 7 attacks per round.Third off, in your example those 8 attacks in one round are probably going to put the foe down just as dead as the 1st-level Fighter's 8 attacks in 8 rounds, assuming you're scaling your opponents to more or less agree with CR guidelines.&nbsp; Which means, the number of attacks over the combat are the same.Within a given round, yes.&nbsp; Within either a given combat or on any individual swing, no.Crits work the same way, for what it matters.You can't fumble on a saving throw.&nbsp; Soemtimes depending on circumstance you can critically fail, but that's not the same thing.&nbsp; On a few types of ability checks you can fumble, but not all of them by any means.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8031753, member: 29398"] First off, you don't fumble by just rollign a 1/d20, you need to confirm it (1/d6). Second off, while maybe it's white-room theoretically possible a Fighter could get 8 attacks every round in my game (and it'd certainly involve a Haste spell!) I might throw in my DM hat if I ever see this arise in play. Thinking it through, unless I'm missing something the best a 25th+-level Fighter could do here if fully tricked out and Hasted would be 7 attacks per round. Third off, in your example those 8 attacks in one round are probably going to put the foe down just as dead as the 1st-level Fighter's 8 attacks in 8 rounds, assuming you're scaling your opponents to more or less agree with CR guidelines. Which means, the number of attacks over the combat are the same. Within a given round, yes. Within either a given combat or on any individual swing, no. Crits work the same way, for what it matters. You can't fumble on a saving throw. Soemtimes depending on circumstance you can critically fail, but that's not the same thing. On a few types of ability checks you can fumble, but not all of them by any means. [/QUOTE]

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