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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8032772" data-attributes="member: 6787503">That's the thing, isn't it? There is no rule for when a sleeping creature wakes up (at least, not in the core game). It's pure fiction.With some exceptions, the players in my game are in control of when their characters go to sleep and when they wake up. I do the same for my monsters. If anything that would wake up my monsters happens when the PCs are asleep, I tell them it wakes them up. Combat starting is one of those things. Being attacked in your sleep is still dangerous, however, because before you wake up you have no awareness of your surroundings and can be ambushed very easily. The creatures in my play example are not the type to set watches while they sleep (INT 2), but you didn't know that. I'm not sure what you mean by the rules laid out in the fiction, but one of the rules of the game is that "Everyone involved in the combat encounter rolls initiative".There is a price to being caught sleeping in my game, though. It's just not what you or my player seem to think it is. The creatures in my example paid that price. The party was able to sneak up on them without fail, completely controlling the circumstances under which they commenced their attack, and I gave them all the time they wanted. The creatures also began the encounter prone and surprised. Overall, I think it was a pretty good deal for the players. If the shoe was on the other foot, the same could happen to the party.I think players should be making decisions for their characters based on the fictional situations in which they find themselves and that they should trust their DM to describe the salient details of the situation accurately. I think the "bad information" in my example and in the OP's example comes from thinking that things can't happen that the rules don't cover. There aren't any general rules for creatures waking up, but that doesn't mean I've broken the rules by having creatures wake up. Likewise, there aren't any rules for a creature being killed in a way that circumvents hit points if it falls from a great height, but that doesn't mean a rule has been broken if a creature dies in that way. To avoid such "bad information" I think players would do well to remember that (to quote [USER=97077]@iserith[/USER]) the rules serve the DM, not the other way around.</blockquote>

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