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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 8032882" data-attributes="member: 6677017">I mean sure, it's my opinion, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're doing here.Assuming the character is quiet while sliding a blade into someone, they aren't waking up until the attack has already hit and damaged them. It's the damage from the attack that causes them to wake up. If you run it so that they wake up before the attack and damage has resolved, they are in a whole different boat, and can theoretically prevent damage from happening (assuming surprise isn't involved and preventing that, which I think we agree normally is), which would mean that they wake up and prevent the very thing that woke them up!That's what I'd be having a problem with. If the player starts combat by bellowing a war cry--yes, I'd have the foes all wake up. If they started combat by charging in full clanking plate, I might wake up the foes. And maybe that's what's happening. But the image I have is that they have their sleeping foes surrounded, ready to kill them in their sleep, and right as the first person quietly stabs/slashes, the creatures all wake up.As far as initiative, I'm not sure I run it much differently than you described it, other than that I don't count that any action has actually happened until it has fully resolved, because 5e is chock full of &quot;take back&quot; mechanics where an attack hits and you use a reaction to make it so that you blocked it and it didn't really hit, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 8032882, member: 6677017"] I mean sure, it's my opinion, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're doing here. Assuming the character is quiet while sliding a blade into someone, they aren't waking up until the attack has already hit and damaged them. It's the damage from the attack that causes them to wake up. If you run it so that they wake up before the attack and damage has resolved, they are in a whole different boat, and can theoretically prevent damage from happening (assuming surprise isn't involved and preventing that, which I think we agree normally is), which would mean that they wake up and prevent the very thing that woke them up! That's what I'd be having a problem with. If the player starts combat by bellowing a war cry--yes, I'd have the foes all wake up. If they started combat by charging in full clanking plate, I might wake up the foes. And maybe that's what's happening. But the image I have is that they have their sleeping foes surrounded, ready to kill them in their sleep, and right as the first person quietly stabs/slashes, the creatures all wake up. As far as initiative, I'm not sure I run it much differently than you described it, other than that I don't count that any action has actually happened until it has fully resolved, because 5e is chock full of "take back" mechanics where an attack hits and you use a reaction to make it so that you blocked it and it didn't really hit, etc. [/QUOTE]

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