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<blockquote data-quote="Micah Sweet" data-source="post: 9341254" data-attributes="member: 6747251">First of all, I support raising the standard of what counts as nonmagic to the level of actual reality; it certainly shouldn't be below that, and if it is the rules should be changed.That being said, once a fair line is established I think we should go back to something resembling the 3e divisions. My proposal is mundane (for stuff that can be done without any kind of supernatural aid), supernatural (for stuff that does require superhuman ability by real life standards to be possible), and magical (spells).&nbsp; Only the magical stuff is subject to things like antimagic and counterspells.These would be, like in 3e, game divisions that exist for the benefit of the players of the game, not the characters, who in all likelihood would have different perspectives on what counts as &quot;magical&quot;.&nbsp; But the line for the game should still be what can and can't be done in real life, since as humans in real life that is the only perspective we have.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Micah Sweet, post: 9341254, member: 6747251"] First of all, I support raising the standard of what counts as nonmagic to the level of actual reality; it certainly shouldn't be below that, and if it is the rules should be changed. That being said, once a [I]fair[/I] line is established I think we should go back to something resembling the 3e divisions. My proposal is mundane (for stuff that can be done without any kind of supernatural aid), supernatural (for stuff that [I]does[/I] require superhuman ability by real life standards to be possible), and magical (spells). Only the magical stuff is subject to things like antimagic and counterspells. These would be, like in 3e, game divisions that exist for the benefit of the [I]players[/I] of the game, not the characters, who in all likelihood would have different perspectives on what counts as "magical". But the line for the game should still be what can and can't be done in real life, since as humans in real life that is the only perspective we have. [/QUOTE]

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