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Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?
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<blockquote data-quote="Muh" data-source="post: 9341340" data-attributes="member: 7042567"><p>This shows that you simply cannot have a system where you have "mundane" characters who are expected to reach high levels. And with "mundane" here I mean characters who have to adhere to "earth human" levels of realism.</p><p></p><p>What exactly can such a character do that they are worth having in a group?</p><p></p><p>What we need is to have the "mundane" become super powered at some point. If you don't have this, then the problem is unsolvable.</p><p></p><p>Example:</p><p></p><p>Let's add a class that is mundane up to level 20. Let's call that class Sidekick.</p><p></p><p>Let's add a competent heroic non-spell caster class that scales appropriately to high levels. Let's call this the Hero.</p><p></p><p>There is no way that the Hero can be properly balanced against the Sidekick, because the Sidekick is gimped by definition. So either you permit both to exist, or you sacrifice one of them.</p><p></p><p>D&D is misguidedly trying to balance the Sidekick against the more heroic classes by nerfing the heroics. You can see this happening when you argue that there should be a more competent martial class: Someone is going to argue that it will make class X obsolete, where X is some martial class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Muh, post: 9341340, member: 7042567"] This shows that you simply cannot have a system where you have "mundane" characters who are expected to reach high levels. And with "mundane" here I mean characters who have to adhere to "earth human" levels of realism. What exactly can such a character do that they are worth having in a group? What we need is to have the "mundane" become super powered at some point. If you don't have this, then the problem is unsolvable. Example: Let's add a class that is mundane up to level 20. Let's call that class Sidekick. Let's add a competent heroic non-spell caster class that scales appropriately to high levels. Let's call this the Hero. There is no way that the Hero can be properly balanced against the Sidekick, because the Sidekick is gimped by definition. So either you permit both to exist, or you sacrifice one of them. D&D is misguidedly trying to balance the Sidekick against the more heroic classes by nerfing the heroics. You can see this happening when you argue that there should be a more competent martial class: Someone is going to argue that it will make class X obsolete, where X is some martial class. [/QUOTE]
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