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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4022660" data-attributes="member: 710">Things that get me &quot;angry&quot; as a pro-4E guy are like this:&quot;Because D&amp;D 4 doesn't support X, which existed in at least one previous edition, it's a bad game and nobody should play it!&quot; Until the second comma, I am okay with it. But the second is simply wrong. Worse Variant: &quot;D&amp;D 4 doesn't support X, which means the designers are intentionally trying to destroy everything that is good and holy in D&amp;D. They only do it because Hasbro demanded it, and it's purely for money and there is no chance in hell it has any worth from a game design point of view. Also, the designers kick puppies and steal lollies from little children!&quot;. That's not just wrong, it's a personal attack against people that are sometimes even members of this board! But even if they're not, it's not a nice thing to do. Now, if someone provided hard evidence (hard to do in a believable manner), okay, maybe it works.&quot;D&amp;D 4 is video-gamey.&quot; &quot;D&amp;D 4 is so anime&quot;. Okay, fine. What was the posters real point here? Where's the merit of the post, where does it lead us?&quot;D&amp;D 4 seems to aim for the 14-year old WoW-gamer&quot;. I am nearly twice as old, and disliked WoW. But I like D&amp;D 4. Depending on the context, I see this type of post not as plain wrong, but as an attempt to insult me and other D&amp;D 4 fans. I think the last is the worst offender. I am really tempted into flaming such posts, but I think I managed to avoid this so far. Criticismn I like are things that lead us to discussing underlying design goals (simulationist vs. gamist, game balance vs. versimilitude, playability and this stuff), or plainly give interesting alternate takes on things, including suggestions on &quot;how to be a better DM&quot;/&quot;How to make your life easier as a DM&quot; (or player), possibly with concepts that already existed in 1st edition...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4022660, member: 710"] Things that get me "angry" as a pro-4E guy are like this: "Because D&D 4 doesn't support X, which existed in at least one previous edition, it's a bad game and nobody should play it!" Until the second comma, I am okay with it. But the second is simply wrong. Worse Variant: "D&D 4 doesn't support X, which means the designers are intentionally trying to destroy everything that is good and holy in D&D. They only do it because Hasbro demanded it, and it's purely for money and there is no chance in hell it has any worth from a game design point of view. Also, the designers kick puppies and steal lollies from little children!". That's not just wrong, it's a personal attack against people that are sometimes even members of this board! But even if they're not, it's not a nice thing to do. Now, if someone provided hard evidence (hard to do in a believable manner), okay, maybe it works. "D&D 4 is video-gamey." "D&D 4 is so anime". Okay, fine. What was the posters real point here? Where's the merit of the post, where does it lead us? "D&D 4 seems to aim for the 14-year old WoW-gamer". I am nearly twice as old, and disliked WoW. But I like D&D 4. Depending on the context, I see this type of post not as plain wrong, but as an attempt to insult me and other D&D 4 fans. I think the last is the worst offender. I am really tempted into flaming such posts, but I think I managed to avoid this so far. Criticismn I like are things that lead us to discussing underlying design goals (simulationist vs. gamist, game balance vs. versimilitude, playability and this stuff), or plainly give interesting alternate takes on things, including suggestions on "how to be a better DM"/"How to make your life easier as a DM" (or player), possibly with concepts that already existed in 1st edition... [/QUOTE]

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