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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9011371" data-attributes="member: 93670">Lots of reasons that combine<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We all know how a good number of players react to using fiat not to their immediate benefit. It doesn't take much time to realize that the answer to that how tends to be negative</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Players want to minimize risk & will do things like describe how they travel/how they approach a quest location/etc  to minimize risk.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Players have abilities that scale out to ten real world feet of tablespace in one direction (ie 20 foot diameter of tablespace) from each C with such abilities.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Players will chafe under all of [spoiler="these"] <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A: Thre GM pilots the PCs into a reasonable range like puppets</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">B: The GM teleports the opponents into a reasonable range</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">C: The GM builds a world of warp points where you teleport straight from questgiver to the dungeon like some video games do.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">D: The GM invokes fiat to simply declare yea I don't care, you can't use that ability at this distance until the opponents are at a reasonable range</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">E: The GM builds the entire surface world as a megadungeon with rooms & hallways. made of terrain structures & fog/dust/etc.</li> </ul>[*] [/spoiler]</li> </ul>[spoiler="these"][/spoiler]<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">.With a VTT the reasons switch from "the battlemat is only this big so that's why we started at those ranges" to something more like "No I won't zoom out or drag a token across the map with a casual flick of the mouse".  With the battlemat any "yea but" wheedling immediately crash into the fact that the table is not that big either & nobody has an arm reach that long... under a VTT those kinds of limits don't exist & the original problem of ranges</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">[USER=40176]@MarkB[/USER]  Switching to ToTM when there is a perfectly good VTT attached screen on the table or in front of every player's face in order to hide the fact that some players have abilities far beyond anything reasonable is going to cause chafing because some other players need more information for abilities trivially provided by said screen(s).  It's not "Ok I'm going to ToTM this instead of setting up minis & maybe using some dry erase markers"...  It becomes "sure I could plonk some tokens on a grid in seconds with a flick of my mouse but I won't" no matter how it gets phrased</li> </ul>Changing the scale doesn't fix much of anything until you start creating problems.  5e is built expecting 5ft increments You need to shift to something like battletch's 30ft squares where you have literally every PC moving one square (or less) per round & even abilities like AOEs that only impact a single square.  Even the people saying they don't see s problem because they never have fights starting more than 100-150ft awat (20-30 five foot squares)  show why switching from 120 five foot squares to 60 ten foot squares doesn't solve anything.</blockquote>

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