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Why is wotc still aiming for PCs with 10 *real word* feet of range? W/o vision range penalty/limit rules for the GM?
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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9012424" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>there was a typo "Remember, it's a flick of the mouse & a couple of clicks n<strong>o</strong>t fetishized minis & terrain. " That "o" got missed. Sarcasm aside though, I can do better & give you video <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>People have made a lot of statements throughout the thread as if the root of the problem is being too excited about dragging out the chest of minis & getting fancy with showing them off.</p><p>[spoiler="couple short tweet videos"]</p><p>Coincidentally when I first ran this first one I had one player with spell sniper, a second had sharpshooter, -<em>AND</em>- a third had a familiar up in the sky doing circles for them to watch through..</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=twitter]1653794657581641730[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p></p><p>This one's a bonus showing off some stuff related to improvising map building on the fly.</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=twitter]1622529992868483072[/MEDIA]</p><p>[/spoiler]</p><p>A VTT can do things unthinkable for a battlemat with trivial ease & in less time than it takes just to find some minis & setup a battlemat. When the players start saying "well no we were..." or "actually lets back off and..." to make use of those overly extreme ranged abilities everyone knows that making the map do it is trivial in the extreme.</p><p></p><p>It's not a matter of players accusing anyone of being sketchy as [USER=4533]@Reef[/USER] mentioned in <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-is-wotc-still-aiming-for-pcs-with-10-real-word-feet-of-range-w-o-vision-range-penalty-limit-rules-for-the-gm.697472/post-9012230" target="_blank">#137</a>. It's the fact that everyone knows that the dry riverbed through the desert is pretty flat & not too dense with anything higher than knee height while plenty of their PCs are carrying lots of reasons that justifiably bring up "but what about..". Everyone at the table knows for a fact that it's trivial to show out to max weapon range & beyond but there's a long list of reasons why things should be seen at greater distances like <em>sayyyy</em>..... "<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-is-wotc-still-aiming-for-pcs-with-10-real-word-feet-of-range-w-o-vision-range-penalty-limit-rules-for-the-gm.697472/post-9009573" target="_blank">several thousand yards</a>"...</p><p></p><p>If anyone wants yet another example in the thread... How far away do you <em>really</em> need to be to notice a <a href="https://scryfall.com/card/clb/262/you-look-upon-the-tarrasque" target="_blank">42 foot tall tarrasque</a> or anything else even a couple steps adjacent to that weightclass*? Now what happens if the gm simply refuses to make a few clicks & flicks of their mouse to adjust the map like those videos for a plan the players have because they see a better approach than the one the GM tried to sell as a good idea based on all of their scouting & prep?.... How long before the players start to feel railroaded by "terrain" or question why there are so many burrowing & stealthy/invisible ambush predators?</p><p></p><p>[spoiler="*spoiler alert"]I bet it's not[ispoiler] 100-150feet or less[/ispoiler][/spoiler]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9012424, member: 93670"] there was a typo "Remember, it's a flick of the mouse & a couple of clicks n[B]o[/B]t fetishized minis & terrain. " That "o" got missed. Sarcasm aside though, I can do better & give you video :) People have made a lot of statements throughout the thread as if the root of the problem is being too excited about dragging out the chest of minis & getting fancy with showing them off. [spoiler="couple short tweet videos"] Coincidentally when I first ran this first one I had one player with spell sniper, a second had sharpshooter, -[I]AND[/I]- a third had a familiar up in the sky doing circles for them to watch through.. [MEDIA=twitter]1653794657581641730[/MEDIA] This one's a bonus showing off some stuff related to improvising map building on the fly. [MEDIA=twitter]1622529992868483072[/MEDIA] [/spoiler] A VTT can do things unthinkable for a battlemat with trivial ease & in less time than it takes just to find some minis & setup a battlemat. When the players start saying "well no we were..." or "actually lets back off and..." to make use of those overly extreme ranged abilities everyone knows that making the map do it is trivial in the extreme. It's not a matter of players accusing anyone of being sketchy as [USER=4533]@Reef[/USER] mentioned in [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-is-wotc-still-aiming-for-pcs-with-10-real-word-feet-of-range-w-o-vision-range-penalty-limit-rules-for-the-gm.697472/post-9012230']#137[/URL]. It's the fact that everyone knows that the dry riverbed through the desert is pretty flat & not too dense with anything higher than knee height while plenty of their PCs are carrying lots of reasons that justifiably bring up "but what about..". Everyone at the table knows for a fact that it's trivial to show out to max weapon range & beyond but there's a long list of reasons why things should be seen at greater distances like [I]sayyyy[/I]..... "[URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-is-wotc-still-aiming-for-pcs-with-10-real-word-feet-of-range-w-o-vision-range-penalty-limit-rules-for-the-gm.697472/post-9009573']several thousand yards[/URL]"... If anyone wants yet another example in the thread... How far away do you [I]really[/I] need to be to notice a [URL='https://scryfall.com/card/clb/262/you-look-upon-the-tarrasque']42 foot tall tarrasque[/URL] or anything else even a couple steps adjacent to that weightclass*? Now what happens if the gm simply refuses to make a few clicks & flicks of their mouse to adjust the map like those videos for a plan the players have because they see a better approach than the one the GM tried to sell as a good idea based on all of their scouting & prep?.... How long before the players start to feel railroaded by "terrain" or question why there are so many burrowing & stealthy/invisible ambush predators? [spoiler="*spoiler alert"]I bet it's not[ispoiler] 100-150feet or less[/ispoiler][/spoiler] [/QUOTE]
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