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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 9017029" data-attributes="member: 6799660">Gorice's actual statement was "This is the kind of thing that would have been really useful in the DMG." You asked why its' location mattered. I made a case for why rule placement matters and thus why Gorice had a point. What tetrasodium or anyone else here does, knows about, or is capable of, is beside the point.That said, beside the point or not, I agree. tetrasodium and everyone else here are widely experienced and invested gamers and perfectly capable capable of utilizing material from anywhere including supplemental products, homebrew, and forum suggestions. As I just said, "By the time you get to the level of investment most of us have in the game, we barely need rules at all, much less care if the core books have [more or less than we need]." OP certainly hasn't tied it to their own table experience strongly*. They do provide a few <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-is-wotc-still-aiming-for-pcs-with-10-real-word-feet-of-range-w-o-vision-range-penalty-limit-rules-for-the-gm.697472/page-4#post-9011256" target="_blank">hypotheticals </a>and in-adventure module examples, and Stalker posits a <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-is-wotc-still-aiming-for-pcs-with-10-real-word-feet-of-range-w-o-vision-range-penalty-limit-rules-for-the-gm.697472/page-3#post-9010946" target="_blank">scenario</a>. If we accept in-good-faith/for-the-purpose-of-argument that everyone complaining about the status quo have experiences similar to the hypotheticals brought up*, it paints a picture of groups where encounters start at sizable distances and the archery-based characters duke it out for many rounds before the melee combatants can engage (effectively determining the outcome, to a lessor or greater degree), making the players of those melee-characters feel dissatisfied with their lot in the game. Also something about the size of the effective battlescape when mapped 5'=1" that was a primary subject of the Original Post, but seems to have gotten dropped**. *and at least <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-is-wotc-still-aiming-for-pcs-with-10-real-word-feet-of-range-w-o-vision-range-penalty-limit-rules-for-the-gm.697472/page-2#post-9009950" target="_blank">once </a>argued that individual tables were not the best unit of observation, to which I disagree (issues that occur at actual game tables are the only ones worth concerning ourselves). **and that most people in that camp have similar complaints, a less reasonable assumption but one that can be addressed by individual clarification***or at least I couldn't see much response to people's solutions like TotM, special notation, etc.</blockquote>

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