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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9019963" data-attributes="member: 93670">Do you not see how toxic you are being?&nbsp;&nbsp; Notice that at no point did you make any effort to justify why that one player's fun is more important than everyone else's.Someone pointed out that one player actually using or trying to use these excessive ranges is not fun.&nbsp;&nbsp; You respond to that asking what if those ranges are&nbsp; fun for an ad populum&nbsp; &quot;some players&quot; &amp; when outright asked why those players deserve to have their fun elevated above everyone else at the table forced into the role of spectator&nbsp; you don't even feel the need to touch on the problem of why everyone else deserves to be spectators to that ad populum &quot;some players&quot;?&nbsp; You are doing exactly what the current ranges &amp; rules encourage players to do.&nbsp; The GM needs to take the heat for nerfing f them in some way using rules changes or take the heat for using&nbsp; fiat that restricts the ability of those ranges to turn the rest of their group into spectators because that's unfun for the GM &amp; the rest of the group.&nbsp; [spoiler=&quot;If one player...&quot;]am I quoting that player?[/spoiler]In that position the rules insulate you to the point that you don't need to make any effort to involve the rest of the group or justify why the rest of the group deserves to be turned into spectators twiddling their thumbs...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9019963, member: 93670"] Do you not see how toxic you are being? Notice that at no point did you make any effort to justify why that one player's fun is more important than everyone else's. Someone pointed out that one player actually using or trying to use these excessive ranges is not fun. You respond to that asking what if those ranges are fun for an ad populum "some players" & when outright asked why those players deserve to have their fun elevated above everyone else at the table forced into the role of spectator you don't even feel the need to touch on the problem of why everyone else deserves to be spectators to that ad populum "some players"? You are doing exactly what the current ranges & rules encourage players to do. The GM needs to take the heat for nerfing f them in some way using rules changes or take the heat for using fiat that restricts the ability of those ranges to turn the rest of their group into spectators because that's unfun for the GM & the rest of the group. [spoiler="If one player..."] am I quoting [I]that[/I] player? [/spoiler] In that position the rules insulate [I]you[/I] to the point that [I]you[/I] don't need to make any effort to involve the rest of the group or justify why the rest of the group deserves to be turned into spectators twiddling their thumbs... [/QUOTE]

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