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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8658917" data-attributes="member: 7023840">You don't seem to understand the difference between Torner and Peterson. Peterson did the history (several times, but most recently and interestingly in The Elusive Shift). Torner was discussing the general idea of how RPG theorizing in amateur communities has worked. Different things.I would recommend ... reading them. Or at least reading about them, and perhaps this might be more clear to you. With or without ALL-CAPS.While people have personal experiences that we can honor, the entire point of doing things in a systematic fashion is so that you can make generalized observations- not simply have one person say, "This is what I saw, okay?" This is especially true when dealing with history- no matter how connected you were (and you don't indicate it), I somehow doubt your experience in the 70s covers the breadth of history covered in the recent books, which touched on numerous subcultures and referenced primary sources.But how about this- you can read the very well-sourced books that have come out and tell us where they are wrong? Be specific- as in, "This person discussed X in A&E #Y, and I was actually playing in the MIT mega dungeon, and ..."Good?Okay! So, since you haven't read any of these books, it's pretty simple to disagree. Again, it's pretty impressive to say that someone (with published and verifiable work) did something wrong when you haven't read it.Moreover you're confusing two different concepts from two different authors.On the one hand, you are rubbishing the soft sciences and general academia, and on the other hand, you are insisting that we trust only you and your word and not ... publication with sourced documents that are avaailable to all.I would also add that it continues to be odd to me that the same people who insist on jargon seem intent on rubbishing “academia.”It's interesting that you wrote this, given that you didn't bother learning who he is. I am quite sure that his "agenda" isn't what you think.Perhaps you would read the book by William J. White on the Forge, including his dialogue that includes, inter alia, Evan Torner, and get back to me? Because (all together now) I AM NOT DOING THAT REVIEW.And, apparently, book reading is anathema to some, I guess?</blockquote>

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