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<blockquote data-quote="niklinna" data-source="post: 8659352" data-attributes="member: 71235">One thing I find interesting there is that the GNS model did recognize many differences, even incompatiblities or outright competing agendas, within its Simulationist category (more than just process vs. high concept), even as it huddled them all up under that umbrella to claim that they did all share the same specific contrasts in comparison with Gamism and with Narrativism. There was also some talk (from what I've managed to read, not being involved at the time) about how the vast majority of RPG development up to then (and certainly at the time) had been in the realm of Simulationism, less so in Gamism—which had gotten short shrift in the preceding GDS discussion. So, folks were directly familiar with many kinds of Simulationism, but hadn't perhaps explored Gamism all that much to identify competing, incompatibe, or merely different, sub-agendas. The Manyfold approach does get a bit more into that. And Story Now was such a new beast that it seems to be (depending on your viewpoint) the biggest/smallest bucket of the three...the shutdown of &amp; diaspora from the Forge in some senses lost the line of inquiry as it spread out to numerous individual blogs and such, but I can see even from a casual overview of such games that many differences have emerged. I would love to know if someone has dug into that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="niklinna, post: 8659352, member: 71235"] One thing I find interesting there is that the GNS model did recognize many differences, even incompatiblities or outright competing agendas, within its Simulationist category (more than just process vs. high concept), even as it huddled them all up under that umbrella to claim that they did all share [I]the same specific contrasts[/I] in comparison with Gamism and with Narrativism. There was also some talk (from what I've managed to read, not being involved at the time) about how the vast majority of RPG development up to then (and certainly at the time) had been in the realm of Simulationism, less so in Gamism—which had gotten short shrift in the preceding GDS discussion. So, folks were directly familiar with many kinds of Simulationism, but hadn't perhaps explored Gamism all that much to identify competing, incompatibe, or merely different, sub-agendas. The Manyfold approach does get a bit more into that. And Story Now was such a new beast that it seems to be (depending on your viewpoint) the biggest/smallest bucket of the three...the shutdown of & diaspora from the Forge in some senses lost the line of inquiry as it spread out to numerous individual blogs and such, but I can see even from a casual overview of such games that many differences have emerged. I would love to know if someone has dug into that. [/QUOTE]

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