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<blockquote data-quote="Blue Orange" data-source="post: 8571840" data-attributes="member: 7025997"><p>Star Trek was always left-leaning, though. TOS had the first interracial kiss, a diverse crew back in the 60s (and having Chekhov on board was showing we'd get through the Cold War with Russia and eventually become friends), and off the top of my head TNG had episodes about LGBT people, Palestinians, and even, arguably, asexuals, and people who watched the later series can comment on DS9, VOY, and whatever the others are. So woke has <em>always</em> been on-brand for Star Trek. Lately that seems to include actual nastiness to traditionally privileged groups (I have some membership on each side of that line), and I'm not on board for that, though I admit I'm no longer really on the left. But Star Trek has always tried to be progressive. That's who they are.</p><p></p><p>(Though: random (white) guys getting killed for not listening to the captain? That's an old trope--the term <em>redshirt</em> comes from the red-shirted security personnel TOS used to kill to create a sense of tension.)</p><p></p><p>I think doing it with Star Wars (traditionally the right-leaning foil to Star Trek, at least back in the end of the 20th century when I followed this stuff more avidly) was inevitably going to get a lot more pushback. But right-leaning fans (including far right fans) seem to have migrated to anime in response. (That is not to say <em>all</em> or even a majority of anime fans lean right, by any means!)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue Orange, post: 8571840, member: 7025997"] Star Trek was always left-leaning, though. TOS had the first interracial kiss, a diverse crew back in the 60s (and having Chekhov on board was showing we'd get through the Cold War with Russia and eventually become friends), and off the top of my head TNG had episodes about LGBT people, Palestinians, and even, arguably, asexuals, and people who watched the later series can comment on DS9, VOY, and whatever the others are. So woke has [I]always[/I] been on-brand for Star Trek. Lately that seems to include actual nastiness to traditionally privileged groups (I have some membership on each side of that line), and I'm not on board for that, though I admit I'm no longer really on the left. But Star Trek has always tried to be progressive. That's who they are. (Though: random (white) guys getting killed for not listening to the captain? That's an old trope--the term [I]redshirt[/I] comes from the red-shirted security personnel TOS used to kill to create a sense of tension.) I think doing it with Star Wars (traditionally the right-leaning foil to Star Trek, at least back in the end of the 20th century when I followed this stuff more avidly) was inevitably going to get a lot more pushback. But right-leaning fans (including far right fans) seem to have migrated to anime in response. (That is not to say [I]all[/I] or even a majority of anime fans lean right, by any means!) [/QUOTE]
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