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Message: <blockquote data-quote="maddman75" data-source="post: 5204421" data-attributes="member: 2673">I think you'd be best off using a system designed for miniless play than trying to force 4e (or even 3e) into such a mold.  Yes, it can be done, as can pounding in a screw with a hammer.  Doesn't make it a good idea.To take one of my favorites, the Cinematic Unisystem has a tactically interesting system without the assumption of minis or a grid.  Flanking is handled by a bonus for teamwork - the more people fighting a monster besides you, the more you get to hit.  Opportunity attacks are nonexistant.  Characters have access to a large number of special moves they can try - simple attacks for a little damage, harder moves for more damage, moves to disable an opponent, and hard to pull off instant kills.I've had fights with 6 PCs and a dozen monsters without a hitch, and no minis to speak of.</blockquote>