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<blockquote data-quote="ArcaneSpringboard" data-source="post: 5206265" data-attributes="member: 87400">I think that one of the issues here is that we've all grown up expecting a certain pattern to adventures, especially when going into lairs or other areas of similar type creatures (say for example the Steading of the Hill Giant King).You expect several encounters as you enter the lair but largely with similar monsters, but they're usually over very quickly.&nbsp; Then you eventually get to the leader and have a tougher, longer encounter.The thing with 4e is that it does the epic end-battle AWESOMELY, but even the basic earlier filler encounters take 45 minutes to resolve.This is where I think a lot of the WotC adventures have problems.&nbsp; They are still writing the adventures with the old school flow in mind.Minions I think help.Torg also had a mechanic to deal with this via the Dramatic vs. Standard combats.I think 4e really needs something like that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ArcaneSpringboard, post: 5206265, member: 87400"] I think that one of the issues here is that we've all grown up expecting a certain pattern to adventures, especially when going into lairs or other areas of similar type creatures (say for example the Steading of the Hill Giant King). You expect several encounters as you enter the lair but largely with similar monsters, but they're usually over very quickly. Then you eventually get to the leader and have a tougher, longer encounter. The thing with 4e is that it does the epic end-battle AWESOMELY, but even the basic earlier filler encounters take 45 minutes to resolve. This is where I think a lot of the WotC adventures have problems. They are still writing the adventures with the old school flow in mind. Minions I think help. Torg also had a mechanic to deal with this via the Dramatic vs. Standard combats. I think 4e really needs something like that. [/QUOTE]

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