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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5208690" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, are these issues issues with the system or the user of the system?I honestly don't have enough experience with the game to know.  So far, I've played exactly one scenario (Raiders at Oakhurst) to completion, so, I can't say if your claims are accurate or not.I do know that in that scenario with a new DM who had never DM'ed anything previously, had never played 4e D&D previously, we did not experience grind, the solo fight was brutal both times (we had to run away the first time as it kicked our asses royally) and the one skill challenge I recall ran smoothly and with no problems.  So, in my very limited experience, all your concerns are things I have not run into.  I'm not saying they're not true, just that they're not things I've experienced.Then I turn to the, now, 4 WOTC gaming podcasts - 3 with Penny Arcade and 1 with Robot Chicken, in which they run 5 or 6 encounters in a 3-4 hour session, with LOADS of role play AND skill challenges, noting that the latest one was run by Tycho (IIRC) and not by anyone at WOTC.  So, the evidence that I can see certainly doesn't support your assertions.  The only counter assertions I ever seem to see are by people who have disliked the system since it was released.  Which is pretty similar to how things were in 3e days as well.  ------------------There have been a very large number of claims in this thread about speed of play, the level of tactical choice, and whatnot.  So, I would like to test these claims with a couple of scenarios.Scenerio 1 - Ease of play without visual aids.A lone human fighter with a longsword and shield in chainmail is surrounded by orcs.  1/3 of the orcs have longswords, 1/3 have two handed swords and 1/3 have battle axes.  Using only the 1e ruleset, how many orcs are surrounding the fighter?Stipulation 1 - you must use ONLY the actors in the example.  No substitutions.Stipulation 2 - you may NOT use any sort of visual aid or a calculator.Stipulation 3 - your answer MUST conform to 1e RAW.  No house rules or DM Fiat.Stipulation 4 - you must try to keep as close as possible the ratio of different weapon wielding orcs.  ((No saying they all use the same weapon, all three weapons must be used))Scenario 2  - Speed of PlayA group of 6 PC's (2 fighters, 1 ranger, a cleric, a wizard and a thief - all level 4) are wandering through a dungeon and meet a random encounter with a group of 12 hobgoblin mercenaries led by a drow cleric (level 2).  Range is set at 60 feet.  Combat ensues.Determine surprise, roll initiative, and run the combat by 1e rules, all within 15 minutes or less.Stipulation 1:  This is a combat encounter.  No weaseling out by claiming you bribe the enemy.Stipulation 2:  The PC's and the enemy choose to fight.  No weaseling out by running away.Stipulation 3:  All actors must have at least two tactical options every round unless they are dead or incapacitated.Stipulation 4:  No substitutions.  THIS is the scenario.Stipulation 5:  ALL RAW rules must be adhered to.  No house rules, no ignoring rules, no DM Fiat.Go to 'er boys.</blockquote>

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