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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5209002" data-attributes="member: 18280">I think that what Imaro is trying to say is:IF one argues that&nbsp; (A) It is inherently harder to picture movement without a grid,AND(B) 4e includes more movement than earlier editions,THENIt is illogical to also propose, all other things being equal, THAT(C) It is as easy to use 4e without a grid as it is to use earlier editions without a grid.IOW, if (C) is true, it strongly indicates that either (A) or (B), or both, are untrue.(Of course, I would argue that all other things are not equal, and that neither A nor C is true.&nbsp; I believe that only a combat system that is positioning-dependent to a particular degree is harder to use without a grid, and that 4e provides such a system.&nbsp; I am in good company here, I think, as Scott Rouse has also said that he believes 4e is harder to use without a grid than previous editions, or words to that effect, as linked upthread.)RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5209002, member: 18280"] I think that what Imaro is trying to say is: IF one argues that (A) It is inherently harder to picture movement without a grid, AND (B) 4e includes more movement than earlier editions, THEN It is illogical to also propose, all other things being equal, THAT (C) It is as easy to use 4e without a grid as it is to use earlier editions without a grid. IOW, if (C) is true, it strongly indicates that either (A) or (B), or both, are untrue. [size=1](Of course, I would argue that all other things are not equal, and that neither A nor C is true. I believe that only a combat system that is positioning-dependent to a particular degree is harder to use without a grid, and that 4e provides such a system. I am in good company here, I think, as Scott Rouse has also said that he believes 4e is harder to use without a grid than previous editions, or words to that effect, as linked upthread.)[/size] RC [/QUOTE]

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