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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 5210145" data-attributes="member: 53980">IMO it's always been the case that grid-less games grant the DM a good deal more power regarding scenarios where positioning is significant.  If a 2e or 3e wizard tosses a fireball or lightning bolt in a grid-less game, it is largely DM's fiat that determines how many orcs are caught in the blast.  Same with 4e.  IME, that's part and parcel for how a grid-less D&D game works.As for an example of grid-less play, it's been ages since I've done it but I think I can give a simple example.DM: You open the door to see three orcs with large axes gathered around a table at the far northern end of the room.  There's a pie on the table.  It's a 30 x 30' stone room with a roaring fire pit against the eastern wall.  The orcs snarl and move to defend their pie.  Roll for initiative.Fighter: I charge the orcs, trying to get as many as I can within sword's reach.DM: The orc narrowly dodges your swing.   You're adjacent to two of the orcs.  The one on your right is marked.  Ranger:  I stand in the doorway to block their escape.  I focus my attention on my target and arc a pair of  arrows over the fighter at the orc he just attacked.  Twin Strike and Quarry.DM:  You nail him soundly in the shoulder.  Blood begins to soak his jerkin instantly.  The orc looks pissed (and he's bloodied)!Wizard:  I move over to the nearest corner of the eastern wall and ready an action to attack the first enemy that moves adjacent to me with Thunderwave.DM:  Okay.  The orc on the fighter's right side is attacking him.  The orc on his left moves carefully away (shifts) and charges the ranger.  The remaining orc carefully makes his way around the table and then charges the wizard.Wizard:  That sets off my readied action.  I want to Thunderwave him into the fire pit.DM:  Go for it...That encounter is a bit sparse on detail, and I left out the rolls as they aren't especially relevant, but hopefully you get the idea.  I don't see why you would need to do grid-less combat in 4e any differently than any other edition of D&D.  I don't contest that you can do it differently if you prefer (such as in Imaro's link), but I really don't see why you would need to.</blockquote>

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