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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5212962" data-attributes="member: 18280">Good.And I'd also like to take this moment to thank you for continuing to respond to the substance of posts, rather than to try to engage in the contest of one-upmanship to which I fear this thread is degenerating.&nbsp; I'd XP you again if I could.&nbsp; (And I will try to remember that I should when the opportunity arises again.)Depending upon those conversing, I agree with you.I also agree with you about all of the following:*&nbsp; Some people are capable of running D&amp;D without a grid regardless of edition.*&nbsp; Running D&amp;D without a grid is a skill that can be learned.*&nbsp; While it isn't unreasonable to assume that different people might have an easier time with one edition than the other, it is unreasonable to assume that one could not learn to run either.Where I disagree isAFAICT, and the way I read it, no one is saying that you must be superhuman or that it is impossible to run 4e without a grid.&nbsp; AFAICT, and IMHO, the example was made absurdly large because smaller examples failed.It is rather like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem" target="_blank">Monty Hall Problem</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem" target="_blank">]Error</a> -- when the example consists of three doors, most people simply do not get it.&nbsp; When the example consists of 1 million doors, OTOH, few people fail to understand what is happening in terms of odds.Because, in the end, what it comes down to is that EITHER doing without the grid is easier in 1e than 4e, OR the grid offers the same degree of helpfulness to both. One can be true, or the other can be true. Both cannot be true.There is not necessarily a &quot;value&quot; appended to the observation; or, if there is, it is purely subjective.&nbsp; However, the observation will have an effect on how difficult it is to run one edition without a grid as compared to another.Imagining that you can have it both ways (and I am not saying that you are doing so) helps no one, least of all the person so doing.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5212962, member: 18280"] Good. And I'd also like to take this moment to thank you for continuing to respond to the substance of posts, rather than to try to engage in the contest of one-upmanship to which I fear this thread is degenerating. I'd XP you again if I could. (And I will try to remember that I should when the opportunity arises again.) Depending upon those conversing, I agree with you. I also agree with you about all of the following: * Some people are capable of running D&D without a grid regardless of edition. * Running D&D without a grid is a skill that can be learned. * While it isn't unreasonable to assume that different people might have an easier time with one edition than the other, it [i]is[/i] unreasonable to assume that one could not learn to run either. Where I disagree is AFAICT, and the way I read it, no one is saying that you must be superhuman or that it is impossible to run 4e without a grid. AFAICT, and IMHO, the example was made absurdly large because smaller examples failed. It is rather like the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem"]Monty Hall Problem[/URL][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem]]Error[/url] -- when the example consists of three doors, most people simply do not get it. When the example consists of 1 million doors, OTOH, few people fail to understand what is happening in terms of odds. Because, in the end, what it comes down to is that EITHER doing without the grid is easier in 1e than 4e, OR the grid offers the same degree of helpfulness to both. One can be true, or the other can be true. Both cannot be true. There is not necessarily a "value" appended to the observation; or, if there is, it is purely subjective. However, the observation will have an effect on how difficult it is to run one edition without a grid as compared to another. Imagining that you can have it both ways (and I am not saying that you are doing so) helps no one, least of all the person so doing. RC [/QUOTE]

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