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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 5213030" data-attributes="member: 53980">Thanks.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Sorry, but I don't agree that it's the same.&nbsp; One is an illustration of mathematical probability.&nbsp; The other is a subjective comparison that carries with it irrelevant, unnecessary, and potentially misleading baggage.Just because a person can imagine a hypothetical scenario where no degree of skill with swimming will save him, doesn't mean that there aren't many possible scenarios where swimming would or could save him.&nbsp; It also doesn't consider whether the impossible scenario is relevant to the topic at hand (if we're discussing relatively calm bodies of water, then bringing up a raging river is not relevant).I'm glad you agree that it is not an objective determination.&nbsp; However, it seems to overlook the initial point (about learning skills such as running without a grid).Let's assume that you currently hold the first stance (gridless is easier in 1e).&nbsp; Do you not consider it possible that, were you to practice running 4e without a grid for a reasonable number of sessions, you might change your mind and hold the second stance instead (grid offers equal helpfulness to both)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 5213030, member: 53980"] Thanks. :) Sorry, but I don't agree that it's the same. One is an illustration of mathematical probability. The other is a subjective comparison that carries with it irrelevant, unnecessary, and potentially misleading baggage. Just because a person can imagine a hypothetical scenario where no degree of skill with swimming will save him, doesn't mean that there aren't many possible scenarios where swimming [i]would or could[/i] save him. It also doesn't consider whether the impossible scenario is relevant to the topic at hand (if we're discussing relatively calm bodies of water, then bringing up a raging river is not relevant). I'm glad you agree that it is not an objective determination. However, it seems to overlook the initial point (about learning skills such as running without a grid). Let's assume that you currently hold the first stance (gridless is easier in 1e). Do you not consider it possible that, were you to practice running 4e without a grid for a reasonable number of sessions, you might change your mind and hold the second stance instead (grid offers equal helpfulness to both)? [/QUOTE]

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