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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 5142963" data-attributes="member: 80487">It's not even really a matter of "ACs advancing" all the time.In OD&D with Greyhawk, a just-rolled first-level fighter's effective AC could range from 9 (no armor) to -2 (plate armor and shield, 4-point bonus for dexterity 18). In the later Basic games, an 18 dexterity gives just a +3 bonus. In Advanced, unarmored is AC 10 (because ring and studded got wedged in the middle, displacing leather & shield from the AC 6 position). Plate armor is too expensive for a 1st-level character, so the likely best is AC -1. That's still an 11-point range, as in OD&D with Supp. I.Counting AC 9 as "0" (in keeping with your post above, and with the MM's basis), our top first-level fighter's AC -1 would be +10. With no dexterity bonus, that (pretty typical) panoply of scale or banded armor with shield would be +6. ACs for monsters in the original D&D set all ranged from +0 to +7.Look at these examples from the 1st MM:Demogorgon +17Dispater +1124 HD diplodocus +321 HD Bahamut +1220 HD plesiosaurus +218 HD tyrannosaurus rex +416 HD Tiamat +915 HD purple worm +314 HD baluchitherium +413 HD pit fiend +1212 HD giant slug +112 HD ki-rin +1411 HD ice devil +1310 to 11 HD elephant +310 HD efreeti +810 HD lurker above +39 HD will-o-the-wisp +177 to 10 HD mimic +27+7 HD xorn +118 HD night hag +07 HD rakshasa +136+3 HD minotaur +35+5 HD horned devil +145 HD giant skunk +25 HD rust monster +74+4 HD yeti +34 HD ghast +53 HD quasit +72 HD giant ant +62 HD zombie +11/2 HD pixie (invisible) +8</blockquote>

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