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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 5154465" data-attributes="member: 82504">The argument regarding how much is player and how much is character has existed since the beginning...A game like Amber developed some language (not enough) for allowing the player to make meaningful choices with regards to doing things he didnt really know about himself,&nbsp; basically gambits like presenting yourself as better than you are.. switching the arena of the conflict etc.. dragging it out so your superior 'stamina/perserverance' can dominate.. etc...&nbsp; it didnt do so in a real clear way at times but the idea I thought was worth something.For me I might not have the social skills that my character does but if I have good enough language (maybe overly generic and maybe a bit general)&nbsp; to describe the how not just the what my character is doing it can allow me to participate in the success and failure. And gives the DM more basis for his adjustments so they arent just game numbers controlling it.As a DM the words &quot;How do you do it?&quot; take on added importance.Did that make any sense?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 5154465, member: 82504"] The argument regarding how much is player and how much is character has existed since the beginning... A game like Amber developed some language (not enough) for allowing the player to make meaningful choices with regards to doing things he didnt really know about himself, basically gambits like presenting yourself as better than you are.. switching the arena of the conflict etc.. dragging it out so your superior 'stamina/perserverance' can dominate.. etc... it didnt do so in a real clear way at times but the idea I thought was worth something. For me I might not have the social skills that my character does but if I have good enough language (maybe overly generic and maybe a bit general) to describe the how not just the what my character is doing it can allow me to participate in the success and failure. And gives the DM more basis for his adjustments so they arent just game numbers controlling it. As a DM the words "How do you do it?" take on added importance. Did that make any sense? [/QUOTE]

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