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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 5158248" data-attributes="member: 82504">Happens all the time during a skill challenge not sure what you think is different here? Choosing how you apply to skills over a multi stage process does allow one to modify the results in mid stream I have seen one skill rolls failure enable a different skill to be applied because it changed the situation. And I dynamically set the difficulties of individual rolls or allow an auto success when it makes no sense for a part of a plan to fail. Is that going beyond the rules for a skill challenge? And if somebody is stretching it to apply a skill that really doesnt work that well towards achieving the end they get penalties perhaps in the form of higher difficultiesAs I said I think skill challenges are presented overly mechanistically.I have no problem with players engaging the in world situation... if they dont its like passing up tons of bonuses on there characters performance.Yeah if you dont use the game mechanics to decide anything the player has lots of influence... its called being extremist (4e didnt throw out the dm deciding what you just decided to do is so simple/perfect you auto succeed) We have to mix in both character ability and player ability if you want players to pretend to be something other than me in a funny suit.</blockquote>