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<blockquote data-quote="Prince Atom" data-source="post: 365698" data-attributes="member: 6046"><p>I didn't intend for this to come off as a "whiny rant." I thought I was making a rational, well-constructed argument against mechanically buying everything WotC puts out. I apologize if it became a whine.</p><p></p><p>But then, whining's what I'm known for <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Smile when you say that <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did I come across as a cheapskate? I didn't mean to. It's just that I have less money than others on this board and I don't see the use of spending money on whatever WotC puts in front of me. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Epic feats makes your arms grow longer?</p><p></p><p>Heck, I'm fighting creatures that get save-or-die gaze attacks, breath weapons, and spell-like abilities BEFORE I'm 20th level. Why aren't there feats for those abilities? Because the monsters have to have <em>something</em> on the PCs.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>More power to you. But there are those who want to play high-powered games and for now they're stuck with WotC's version. It's a monopoly, which is (at the core of it) what I'm objecting to.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Then why suggest it if no one's going to do it? And it's not epic levels I don't like, but those presented in the EHB. A Wiz20/Ftr20 is epic enough without giving them the feat Shoot Lightning From Sphincter. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>So, for two different rules they charge $30? Why not just make some announcement about such things (like they do in the FRCS) and leave it at that? They have to fill out a whole book, and they do so by making a whole raft of new things.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>The pressure doesn't necessarily come from the immediate group. It could come from extended sources, like the folks you see once a week or so at your local store. The ultimate pressure comes from WotC, and they need to make money.</p><p></p><p>Besides, who defines what's fun? The peer group, of course. You don't hang primarily with people who prefer CRPGs to PnP games, do you? Whomever your friends are, you see new products. There's a sense of respect in the group for the first person to get a new product. Some of the prestige of the product rubs off on its owner, no matter how possessive she may be. I'm no psychologist, but I'd say there's a strong drive to gain respect, and if in the group respect is earned by possession of new things, you're going to want to own new things and gain respect thereby. It's more of a "If you don't do this, you're not cool" sort of pressure than an "everybody's doing it, man" sort of pressure, no matter how subconscious.</p><p></p><p>Maybe it's just me <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>I at least tend to think that rules you buy are somehow "more official" than those you come up with on your own. Maybe it's that they don't have to be explained if everyone knows the product, whereas house rules vary widely. Maybe it's the determination that if I'm going to pay $30 for rules, I'm going to use them (rather than if I'm not going to use them, I won't pay $30).</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying you have to think you can do better, just different. If you like your rules better, use them. You don't have to assert that you can do better than WotC (that comes awfully close to overweening pride for my taste).</p><p></p><p>Pac-Man cleric? Are you strong against ghosts? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p>So, in conclusion, I don't like the idea that if you want Epic Levels, you have to buy WotC's book. I know no one's forcing me, but I do feel that there is pressure there, from various sources, and I do think I can come up with rules that I like better without having to throw out the PHB after I've amassed 210,000 XP.</p><p></p><p>TWK</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Prince Atom, post: 365698, member: 6046"] I didn't intend for this to come off as a "whiny rant." I thought I was making a rational, well-constructed argument against mechanically buying everything WotC puts out. I apologize if it became a whine. But then, whining's what I'm known for :rolleyes: Smile when you say that :D Did I come across as a cheapskate? I didn't mean to. It's just that I have less money than others on this board and I don't see the use of spending money on whatever WotC puts in front of me. Epic feats makes your arms grow longer? Heck, I'm fighting creatures that get save-or-die gaze attacks, breath weapons, and spell-like abilities BEFORE I'm 20th level. Why aren't there feats for those abilities? Because the monsters have to have [I]something[/I] on the PCs. More power to you. But there are those who want to play high-powered games and for now they're stuck with WotC's version. It's a monopoly, which is (at the core of it) what I'm objecting to. Then why suggest it if no one's going to do it? And it's not epic levels I don't like, but those presented in the EHB. A Wiz20/Ftr20 is epic enough without giving them the feat Shoot Lightning From Sphincter. So, for two different rules they charge $30? Why not just make some announcement about such things (like they do in the FRCS) and leave it at that? They have to fill out a whole book, and they do so by making a whole raft of new things. The pressure doesn't necessarily come from the immediate group. It could come from extended sources, like the folks you see once a week or so at your local store. The ultimate pressure comes from WotC, and they need to make money. Besides, who defines what's fun? The peer group, of course. You don't hang primarily with people who prefer CRPGs to PnP games, do you? Whomever your friends are, you see new products. There's a sense of respect in the group for the first person to get a new product. Some of the prestige of the product rubs off on its owner, no matter how possessive she may be. I'm no psychologist, but I'd say there's a strong drive to gain respect, and if in the group respect is earned by possession of new things, you're going to want to own new things and gain respect thereby. It's more of a "If you don't do this, you're not cool" sort of pressure than an "everybody's doing it, man" sort of pressure, no matter how subconscious. Maybe it's just me :) I at least tend to think that rules you buy are somehow "more official" than those you come up with on your own. Maybe it's that they don't have to be explained if everyone knows the product, whereas house rules vary widely. Maybe it's the determination that if I'm going to pay $30 for rules, I'm going to use them (rather than if I'm not going to use them, I won't pay $30). I'm not saying you have to think you can do better, just different. If you like your rules better, use them. You don't have to assert that you can do better than WotC (that comes awfully close to overweening pride for my taste). Pac-Man cleric? Are you strong against ghosts? :D So, in conclusion, I don't like the idea that if you want Epic Levels, you have to buy WotC's book. I know no one's forcing me, but I do feel that there is pressure there, from various sources, and I do think I can come up with rules that I like better without having to throw out the PHB after I've amassed 210,000 XP. TWK [/QUOTE]
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