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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zedturtle" data-source="post: 9074532" data-attributes="member: 6830534">When I began work on what would become Ashen Frontiers, the OGL kerfuffle was just wrapping up. So (even though I'm known for a long string of award-winning/nominated 5e stuff) doing a Pathfinder version was a no-brainer. Set up the Patreon so you could pay $3/month (the minimum recommended amount) for either 5e or Pathfinder, or $5/month for both, and get folks that wanted to learn Pathfinder take me up at $5 so they could see the same Foe (or Ancestry, or Class, or whatever) in both systems was the plan. I was hoping for a mass response ... again ... Kyle Brinks had just said 'Dark Sun is problematic', and here I am shilling a post-apocalyptic fantasy setting that you don't need to give Ha$bros any money at all to play. I launched the Patreon, expecting little, but wondering if I would be blown away.Unfortunately, getting the word out, especially on independent projects, is dashed-darn hard. So it was more the 'little' bit, not the 'blown away' bit. But every bit of success builds on the last bit, and now I've got sold-out demos at Gen Con next month, a <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/442192" target="_blank">free setting guide</a> that would be Gold at least if DriveThru still did metals for free stuff, and more on the way.But there are other challenges too. When I was first learning Pathfinder, I leaned hard on a long-time friend that had gone Pathfinder back in 2008 and only grudgingly playtested my 5e stuff occasionally. I gave him a list of ideas for AF: 'no alignment, proficiency without level, every Background has a way to earn Focus Points, which will have little to do with magic, etc.'. And got major pushback on each of them, to the point of serious 'discussions' whenever certain points came up. But I pressed on. Read the ORC drafts, gave feedback, applied for the Pathfinder Compatibility License, Waited. And nothing.When the Remaster news came out with the list of changes, my friend's tune changed. He said Remaster seemed to be 'your wishlist'. Gone was the 'Pathfinder players rely on [sticking point]', changed to 'maybe that will work'. There are still things that he had/has trouble grokking. He learned d20 games at his Daddy's knee (almost literally), so my insistence on 'all d20 rolls are Checks. Attacks are just Checks using the Accuracy or Melee Skills, and mystical effects are just Psionics or Spellcasting Checks using a Key Ability' didn't make sense to him. But I enlisted other friends whose memory of learning the game were a few decades more recent, and they agreed 'things can be hard to learn, this is easier'. And there are other changes, like 'Foes' instead of 'Monsters' because explaining to a Newbie that only some Monsters are Monstrosities is too much.So time went by, and no word from Paizo on the PCL application, even when I asked about it on their forums. I chalked it up to the ORC development, but no word yet. It has been months, and I'm working on a Pathfinder Rules Guide. If I don't hear anything, I'll use ORC/OGL to release it, use it as a rules base, and refer to it for the setting, never asking a Player or Gamemaster to spend money with Paizo at all. I really don't understand why there hasn't been any forward motion on this. I'd love to write 'see Player Core 1, page XXX' but it seems unlikely at this point.And lastly, Pathfinder players seem to be heavily invested in Lost Omens. For every Pathfinder player that is interested in Ashen Frontiers, there are at least a dozen 5e players. Part of this is culture – sure Ha$bros pushes Forgotten Realms at every opportunity, but acknowledges Dragonlance, Eberron, even Grayhawk and Ravenloft, with occasional releases. So getting a 3PP product to sell in Pathfinder has many, many challenges. I'm still not quite ready to give up, yet, however.</blockquote>

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