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<blockquote data-quote="Malin Genie" data-source="post: 1656768" data-attributes="member: 1058">and the ability to Cure/Restore/Raise/Heal/Resurrect party members isn't important?&nbsp; I also don't know that I agree with you about direct damage - a Flame Strike or Fire Storm does as much damage as Wizard spells of those levels.Admittedly the Clr BAB is the same as the Rog and hp better, so there is less 'sacrifice' in BAB/hp terms - but there is still a skill loss (and in the case of a Clr with likely lower Int than a Wizard probably a greater skill loss) and Sneak Attack / Uncanny Dodge / progression to further Rogue abilities loss.The Divine Trickster as written is probably too powerful (see above.)&nbsp; Nevertheless, I point you again toward the Arcane Trickster - the 15 levels of Wizard casting are worth more than 15 levels of Cleric casting, especially in their ability to create SA conditions (can Clerics cast blink or greater invisibility?)&nbsp; The hit to the rogue is -2 1/2 d6 Sneak Attack, skill point loss (only 4+/level rather than 8+ - compensated at least in part for the Wiz/Rog if not the Sor/Rog by the Intelligence synergy) and a couple of points of BAB.&nbsp; A 4+/level Divine Trickster will have far fewer skills than a pure rogue, as well as losing a couple of dice Sneak Attack, Improved Uncanny Dodge and Rogue special abilities.&nbsp; The BAB and hp will not suffer as much, but (YMMV) I feel that the greater versatility, synergy (see above) and power of Wiz/Sor spells makes the trade-off a fair one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Malin Genie, post: 1656768, member: 1058"] and the ability to Cure/Restore/Raise/Heal/Resurrect party members isn't important? I also don't know that I agree with you about direct damage - a Flame Strike or Fire Storm does as much damage as Wizard spells of those levels. Admittedly the Clr BAB is the same as the Rog and hp better, so there is less 'sacrifice' in BAB/hp terms - but there is still a skill loss (and in the case of a Clr with likely lower Int than a Wizard probably a greater skill loss) and Sneak Attack / Uncanny Dodge / progression to further Rogue abilities loss. The Divine Trickster as written is probably too powerful (see above.) Nevertheless, I point you again toward the Arcane Trickster - the 15 levels of Wizard casting are worth more than 15 levels of Cleric casting, especially in their ability to create SA conditions (can Clerics cast [i]blink[/i] or [i]greater invisibility[/i]?) The hit to the rogue is -2 1/2 d6 Sneak Attack, skill point loss (only 4+/level rather than 8+ - compensated at least in part for the Wiz/Rog if not the Sor/Rog by the Intelligence synergy) and a couple of points of BAB. A 4+/level Divine Trickster will have far fewer skills than a pure rogue, as well as losing a couple of dice Sneak Attack, Improved Uncanny Dodge and Rogue special abilities. The BAB and hp will not suffer as much, but (YMMV) I feel that the greater versatility, synergy (see above) and power of Wiz/Sor spells makes the trade-off a fair one. [/QUOTE]

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