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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 4685795" data-attributes="member: 32740">It seemed apparant to me that when Ben showed up he DID want Lock alive, but as always it was strictly for Bens own purposes. Ben is well and truly a pathological liar. He lies even when he has no reason to. Never tells the full truth when a sliver will do. If he tells John that it's vital that he survive then he's telling the truth - but only to a degree. BEN wanted John alive at that moment. Its fascinating then that the mere mention of Eloise Hawking is like flipping a light switch in Bens brain. The payoff for WHY he actually did it is obviously yet to come, but clearly it was important to Ben that these two have no contact. Suddenly that became vastly more important (to Ben) than keeping Locke alive.  It IS possible to surprise Ben.  Ben doesn't know everything - he just lies so much it's impossible to tell.  He seemed surprised at the mention of Hawkings name.  Either it's surprise that Locke knew of her existence, or surprise that she DID exist as if Ben thought she was dead.  The latter seems more likely to me.  But clearly the exchange of information between those two would be VERY bad for Ben and killing Locke was done without a moments hesitation at that point. Yeah, The Others are not all evil as far as I can tell. At worst they are simply dupes and while someone like Ben is their active leader who can really blame them for constantly doing bad things? Ben has REPEATEDLY duped Losties into following him and believing his lies - how can you blame The Others for doing likewise? These looks we've gotten lately at past snapshots of The Others I think illustrates clearly that they are not inherently evil. As you say, Richard is quite enigmatic, Ben is CLEARLY not a good guy, Widmore seems only slightly less so, but the rest of The Others don't seem to be such a bad lot, especially out from under the direct influence of certain leaders and indoctrination.</blockquote>

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