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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 9579815" data-attributes="member: 2067">One of the things rather ill-explained in the 2014 rules is that CR is mostly made up of two numbers: HP, and DPR. AC and attack bonus/DC can modify this (a creature harder to hit has more longevity; a creature who hits better will drain the characters quicker), but those two numbers mostly set CR. Every trait that impacts CR in the 2014 rules are traits that affect how long the creature survives, or how long the PC's survive.Size, type, sense, damage types....none of these things impact CR, because they don't directly affect the survivability (damage to hp ratio) of either side. This is wonderful, because it means that you can do a lot of things to a monster that are mostly flavor. Yeah, the reason two different creatures of the same CR might have different sizes is mostly because it fits the story. Comments like this are why I'm sympathetic to the position that the monster creation section was just asking to be misunderstood, and might be &quot;more effort than its worth&quot; to get right. Like, this was never truly the case in 5e, but its persistence is understandable. CR is just asking to be misunderstood by people who have an expectation that it wasn't designed to meet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 9579815, member: 2067"] One of the things rather ill-explained in the 2014 rules is that CR is mostly made up of two numbers: HP, and DPR. AC and attack bonus/DC can modify this (a creature harder to hit has more longevity; a creature who hits better will drain the characters quicker), but those two numbers mostly set CR. Every trait that impacts CR in the 2014 rules are traits that affect how long the creature survives, or how long the PC's survive. Size, type, sense, damage types....none of these things impact CR, because they don't directly affect the survivability (damage to hp ratio) of either side. This is [B]wonderful[/B], because it means that you can do a lot of things to a monster that are mostly flavor. Yeah, the reason two different creatures of the same CR might have different sizes is mostly because it fits the story. Comments like this are why I'm sympathetic to the position that the monster creation section was just asking to be misunderstood, and might be "more effort than its worth" to get right. Like, this was never truly the case in 5e, but its persistence is understandable. CR is just [I]asking[/I] to be misunderstood by people who have an expectation that it wasn't designed to meet. [/QUOTE]

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