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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Humanophile" data-source="post: 1566132" data-attributes="member: 1049">Hong, out of curiosity, how do you order-of-operations your quickens?If I were to cast an Extended Mage Armor, it matters not a whit whether it becomes a FRA first, then gets extended, or if it becomes extended first, then becomes a FRA.But on the Quickened Magic Missle vs. Quickened Monster Summoning, it does.  If it becomes a FRA (or longer, in the SM case) first, you can't quicken away your 1 round casting time spells...  but your one action spells get bumped up to a FRA (still less than a 1 round casting time), which is then bumped down immediately to a free action by quicken.If the metamagic time penalty comes after everything else, you can take your Monster Summoning from 1 round to a free action, which goes back up to a FRA when the spell goes off.  I know this may sound like repeating the same thing over again to you, but it strikes me as silly that you insist that the casting time "price" be paid both before and after the spell, especially when it's clearly not done that way.  Otherwise, all other metamagic would be clearly screwed by having to be time-bumped twice, with a minimum casting time of two rounds.Personally, I favor the former interpretation; it allows the long-demanded Sorcerous Quicken, and I think the "special" section is simply a relic of nobody raising the order-of-operations issue during 3.0 days.  It reads clumsily if taken uncritically, and (IMO) leads to a preferable ruleset if read otherwise.</blockquote>

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