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<blockquote data-quote="Sammael" data-source="post: 5989344" data-attributes="member: 4475">Alright, you have somewhat convinced me to grudgingly accept the Barbarian and Monk as worthwhile archetypes that can stand on their own - but they need A LOT of mechanical work to make them distinguished enough.The Sorcerer and Warlock, OTOH, are just mages who acquire their power in a slightly different way than the vanilla wizard. They may require slightly different mechanics for power acquisition and usage but, at the end of the day, they can work fine as kits/subclasses/themes/whatever.And finally, Assassin and Warlord are not class-worthy archetypes. Anyone can be an assassin - a rogue, a fighter, a mage, even a cleric or druid; they just need to focus their abilities on killing people (for money, pleasure, king and country, etc). Likewise, anyone who is strategically inclined can fill the Warlord's role. Arguably, the champion/paladin is the most likely candidate, but the same can be said for like-minded bards, rangers, fighters, mages, clerics, and so on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sammael, post: 5989344, member: 4475"] Alright, you have somewhat convinced me to grudgingly accept the Barbarian and Monk as worthwhile archetypes that can stand on their own - but they need A LOT of mechanical work to make them distinguished enough. The Sorcerer and Warlock, OTOH, are just mages who acquire their power in a slightly different way than the vanilla wizard. They may require slightly different mechanics for power acquisition and usage but, at the end of the day, they can work fine as kits/subclasses/themes/whatever. And finally, Assassin and Warlord are not class-worthy archetypes. Anyone can be an assassin - a rogue, a fighter, a mage, even a cleric or druid; they just need to focus their abilities on killing people (for money, pleasure, king and country, etc). Likewise, anyone who is strategically inclined can fill the Warlord's role. Arguably, the champion/paladin is the most likely candidate, but the same can be said for like-minded bards, rangers, fighters, mages, clerics, and so on. [/QUOTE]

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