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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 5989537" data-attributes="member: 6689464">I'm sorry but that is the same as saying Ranger and barbarian are just flavors of the generic fighter. "I sold my soul for power, as a result I can do amazing things without even having to make an effort, since my benefactor does all of the dirty work for me", "I spent my youth studying the laws of the universe for years and now I can bend them as a result since I know about the loopholes in them" and "I was born with this power, to me there is no difference between the magical and non-magical, because both are equally easy to me" are all very deep differences and go beyond flavor.I've played lot's of sorcerers and no two of them have ever been the same, they can be bent in many, many ways, there is no such a thing as a "generic sorcerer" at most the default flavor is "draconic bloodline sorcerer", if you are not convinced just check how many bloodlines Pathfinder has made for sorcerers and how many bloodline groups existed by the time complete mage was published, 4e is the blandest in this regard as it only had five or eight flavors of sorcerer (depending on wether you count elementalists as a single flavor or actually four different flavors).And a sorcerer's bloodline is only a small facet of the sorcerer, because a sorcerer can come from any place in the world, unlike the wizards -because their background necesarily implies they spent a lot of time studying to get their magic, was it by a mentor, finding an ancient tome or the (in)famous wizard school-. Also while a wizard's magic is their work or a tool for their job, a sorcerer's magic is an extension of themselves, as a result a sorcerer can dedicate to anything he or she desires, not only to a reduced career path. (So forcing all sorcerer's to have an specific background and theme is a big no, it wouldn't just do any justice to them)This difference is key, deprive a wizard of his magics and he becomes nearly useless and extemely vulnerable, but that is hardly a temporal inconvenience, deprive a sorcerer of his and he still has plenty of resources to fight back, but the experience is extremely traumatic for them, because for a wizard a spell is like a hammer or a screwdriver, while for a sorcerer is like his arm or his hand. Warlocks are similar, they can come from any place on the world and have any possible ocupation, the only thing they have in common is they -or someone in their name- made a pact with an unknown entity, and that's it. Beyond that warlock's are as diverse as their patrons and even more, as potentially anyone can make such pacts. Also warlocks aren't true spellcasters, forcing them to be derived from a true spellcasting class is clunky design.Also Sorcerer's are the simplest arcane casters, if any class should (and none of them should) be implemented as a speciffic build of another class, is the wizard inside the sorcerer and not the other way around.</blockquote>

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