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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Drathir" data-source="post: 5726379" data-attributes="member: 87810">yeah monks "weakness" comes down to pure numbers really. With a need to have High dex/wis/con to survive at low levels and do a passable job of it at high levels they tend to take a back row in damage, also with the DPR equation they tend to fall in pretty low (its a little complicated but its pretty much chance to hit * average damage for every attack, and on monks its like 60-70% on their high attacks). there's also the fact that a fist fighter fighter can deal... hmm with a 16start strength(cause he wanted damage, assume human half-elf/orc) when we hit lvl 17 or so (giving him a probable 24-26 str we'll assume 24 for sake of better con or something) he deals 1d3+20 or so for best dpr with out going over a +5 weapon (7 str+4 weapon training+5 weapon enhance+4 weapon spec, cuz lets face it he probably has gauntlets) he deals 21-23 damage per hit but has a 95% chance to hit most enemies on his first go and somewhere around an 80% on his second. dropping his chance to hit on second atk to 70% if twoweapon fighting. and since wis is only going to be mediocre as with dex as he's wearing Full-plate well he's got better AC and as a standard fighter his speed doesn't suffer that much, and lets face who cares about speed since the full attack comes only with a 5' step That's why monks are "weak" since they will deal 2d10+(6-12 high strength with anywhere between +1-5 depending on if you sacrificed awesomeness for utility of brass knuckles) gives you 8-32ish damage with a 70-95% chance on first atk although personally i love monks they're fun, just thought I'd through the numbers for high levels out there, some of them might be just a little off since i had no paper and i only checked 4 cr 16-18 monsters for an average AC but still. But yeah that's why people call them weak, fighter deals better damage overall (as averages are 21 fighter vs 20 monk while fighter has a +5 higher atk bonus assuming same offensive gear and similar str, meaning 25% better hit rate)</blockquote>

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