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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 944767" data-attributes="member: 3146">Re: Re: why not take prestige classIn general, this is accurate, but there are a few places where I think it's downright wrong.Which classes are these? The only p-classes I can think of with cleric BAB, HD, and saves (or better) are Church Inquisitor and Hospitaller. Every other class loses out on one or more of those. And Sacred Exorcist is the only cleric p-class I know of with full turning progression.Just because prerequisites make sense doesn't mean they're not costs. Loremaster, for instance has pretty significant opportunity costs (and don't forget the skill focus: knowledge feats). Sure, they might be the kind of things that a Loremaster character OUGHT to take anyway but they do serve to dissuade non-loremaster characters from becoming Loremasters.Similarly, the prerequisites of the Sacred Exorcist prestige class make sense. And an exorcist character ought to be taking such skills (although maybe not to the degree required--5 ranks of knowledge: religion and 5 ranks of Spot or Sense Motive might make just as much sense while having better power-gaming credentials). But that doesn't change the fact that a standard 10 int human sorceror taking the class has to spend 34 of the 60 skill points he will get over his career and one of the 3 or 4 5th level spells he will ever get on things he might otherwise not take--all to qualify for the class at level 17. An ordinary sorceror might want to max out concentration and spellcraft and put some skill points into bluff and diplomacy, etc. The wannabe sacred exorcist, OTOH has to choose between the social skills and concentration.This is a very real cost as I see when the cleric in the group I play with (he's shooting for Sacred Exorcist) is in a situation that calls for casting defensively. Because he's been buying cross-class ranks of Knowledge: the planes, he has had to skimp on Concentration. Every point of damage from an AoO that hits when he's casting a spell (or that he provokes with movement before casting so as not to provoke one by casting) and every lost spell when he fails to cast defensively is the real cost of his sacred exorcist level (when he gets it).For high stat characters, these are not as signficant but for ordinary stat-characters--even wizards, my fighter/wizard in the same campaign would have more spellcraft and a bunch more knowledges if he weren't shooting for a prestige class--they're very real and significant costs.</blockquote>

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