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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 945513" data-attributes="member: 6875">Spellcasting progression is EVERYTHING to a spellcaster.  Take that away, and you won't just have people saying "Hmm, it's a toss-up, stay wizard or go with a PrC"  You'll have Wizards (etc) saying "PrC?  What ... do I look stupid to you?!?"  Giving up more than 3 (for sorcerors, 2) spellcasting levels over the course of yoru career takes a BIG chunk out of your end-game power levels ... 9thlevel spells.  2 more levels, and you lose 8th level spells, too.  And that's not even looking at spells KNOWN at the lower levels for Sorcerors, nor spells-per-day for everyone.  What needs to be done is, make the core spellcasting classes get mroe "nifty" stuff -- nifty not uberpowerful -- at the higher levels.  Make higher-level familiars, for one, BETTER; that keeps wizards and sorcerors interested in familiars at higher levels, and I can only think of three classes, offhand, that even maybe give familiar progression (the Alienist in T&B, the Mystic Wanderer in MOF, and the Nar Demondbinder in UE).  Granted, I think some should give the progression for specific KINDS of familiars, the way the Nar Demonbinder does (an Elemental Savant who takes the Improved Familiar feat should be allowed to get progression, IF their familiar is an elemental of their specialty element ... i.e. an Air Savant with a tiny air elemental familiar).  Even if that's only partial progression, it'd make sense to me (and might warrant another spellcaster-level loss, at (say) 5th level Savant).  Taking away spellcasting progression for a spellcaster is as bad as, or worse than, taking away BAB progression for a fighter.</blockquote>

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