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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 7288423">IME, it's part &quot;don't be stupid&quot; and &quot;get gud scrub&quot; mentality.IMO: I don't feel that expending resources is a punishment.&nbsp; That's simple economics: you pay for the things you want.&nbsp; On that note however, I do wish there was a way to bring someone back with no level loss for an increased resource cost.&nbsp; Maybe double, or triple the standard gold/item cost.&nbsp; Maybe it requires an extra special item that's super rare.&nbsp; I add these sorts of elements in my own games, but it would have been nice if there was something there in the rules.&nbsp; I do feel that a resource cost is important to make death matter, I also agree that in large part death doesn't matter in most games.Realistically, few tables do anything significant with dead PCs, they usually loot the body and then move on, eventually meeting Backup #5 in the next inn or tavern they crawl through.&nbsp; There's rarely any heroic parades through town, any grand statues erected to the lost player or even a simple funeral and I don't think I've ever once seen a party seek out a dead PC's family (assuming their backstory wasn't an orphan *eyeroll*) to give them the news that their child is dead.However, keep in mind that the -1 level &quot;punishment&quot; was often taken in comparison to the alternative: roll a new level 1 character.&nbsp; Often a -4 or great level punishment!&nbsp; Going from level 8 to level 7 is a lot less of a punishment than going from level 8 to level 1!&nbsp; Also, there are often lower-level spells that can be cast quickly after the time of death that have no level-loss.I think if there was more role-play engagement with death at the average table, then there would be less need for mechanical costs because players would feel the loss and recognize it as something real, without the need for a mechanical punishment to constantly remind them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 7288423"] IME, it's part "don't be stupid" and "get gud scrub" mentality. IMO: I don't feel that expending resources is a punishment. That's simple economics: you pay for the things you want. On that note however, I do wish there was a way to bring someone back with no level loss for an increased resource cost. Maybe double, or triple the standard gold/item cost. Maybe it requires an extra special item that's super rare. I add these sorts of elements in my own games, but it would have been nice if there was something there in the rules. I do feel that a resource cost is important to make death matter, I also agree that in large part death [I]doesn't[/I] matter in most games. Realistically, few tables do anything significant with dead PCs, they usually loot the body and then move on, eventually meeting Backup #5 in the next inn or tavern they crawl through. There's [I]rarely[/I] any heroic parades through town, any grand statues erected to the lost player or even a simple funeral and I don't think I've ever once seen a party seek out a dead PC's family (assuming their backstory wasn't an orphan *eyeroll*) to give them the news that their child is dead. However, keep in mind that the -1 level "punishment" was often taken in comparison to the alternative: roll a new level 1 character. Often a -4 or great level punishment! Going from level 8 to level 7 is a lot less of a punishment than going from level 8 to level 1! Also, there are often lower-level spells that can be cast quickly after the time of death that have no level-loss. I think if there was more role-play engagement with death at the average table, then there would be less need for mechanical costs because players would [I]feel[/I] the loss and recognize it as something real, without the need for a mechanical punishment to constantly remind them. [/QUOTE]

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