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<blockquote data-quote="TheGorramBatman" data-source="post: 6366498" data-attributes="member: 6778804">Back on topic:I'm becoming more and more impressed with Battlemaster Fighter.&nbsp; A handful of the maneuvers are probably outright crap, but they've got some interesting options which neither take an actual action (most are done as a part of a normal swing) and reward a bit of extra damage.I'd like to point out some very interesting language in a good number of these maneuvers (also interesting for the wording of the Paladin's Divine Smite feature).&quot;When you hit...&quot;This crops up a lot.&nbsp; When.&nbsp; You.&nbsp; Hit.Not when you declare an attack action.&nbsp; Not when you make an attack roll.&nbsp; When you hit.Now on to critical hits:...if the attack involves other damage dice, such as from the Rogue's Sneak Attack feature, roll those dice twice as well.&quot;When you hit... roll those dice twice as well.The Battlemaster (and Paladin with Divine Smite) is in a fairly unique position of being able to add more dice to a roll after it has come up as a critical hit.So.&nbsp; So long as you've got maneuver dice in reserve (or spell slots) on any given crit you can decide to use a maneuver (or Divine Smite) and add twice the damage to the roll in addition to any other effects provided.In practice, much more interesting for the Paladin, but I think it has some serious implications for the Battlemaster as well.I enjoy the Barbarian class features, but between this, Second Wind, Action Surge, and Fighting Style I certainly wouldn't count the Battlemaster Fighter as a clear loser in this comparison.Edit:&nbsp; The Divine Smite feature is particularly worrisome with the &quot;When you hit ...roll those dice twice as well.&quot; pairing.&nbsp; Being able to sacrifice slots on the fly for an equivalent number of bonus d8's (+1d8 past 11th level) gives the Paladin remarkable burst on any crit they happen upon.&nbsp; I have no idea how powerful adding 2 - 12d8 to every applicable crit will be, but it sounds significant.&nbsp; We'll see how that works out.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheGorramBatman, post: 6366498, member: 6778804"] Back on topic: I'm becoming more and more impressed with Battlemaster Fighter. A handful of the maneuvers are probably outright crap, but they've got some interesting options which neither take an actual action (most are done as a part of a normal swing) and reward a bit of extra damage. I'd like to point out some very interesting language in a good number of these maneuvers (also interesting for the wording of the Paladin's Divine Smite feature). [B]"When you hit..."[/B] This crops up a lot. When. You. Hit. Not when you declare an attack action. Not when you make an attack roll. When you hit. Now on to critical hits: [B]...if the attack involves other damage dice, such as from the Rogue's Sneak Attack feature, roll those dice twice as well."[/B] When you hit... roll those dice twice as well. The Battlemaster (and Paladin with Divine Smite) is in a fairly unique position of being able to add more dice to a roll [I]after[/I] it has come up as a critical hit. So. So long as you've got maneuver dice in reserve (or spell slots) on any given crit you can decide to use a maneuver (or Divine Smite) and add twice the damage to the roll in addition to any other effects provided. In practice, much more interesting for the Paladin, but I think it has some serious implications for the Battlemaster as well. I enjoy the Barbarian class features, but between this, Second Wind, Action Surge, and Fighting Style I certainly wouldn't count the Battlemaster Fighter as a clear loser in this comparison. Edit: The Divine Smite feature is particularly worrisome with the [b]"When you hit ...roll those dice twice as well."[/b] pairing. Being able to sacrifice slots on the fly for an equivalent number of bonus d8's (+1d8 past 11th level) gives the Paladin remarkable burst on any crit they happen upon. I have no idea how powerful adding 2 - 12d8 to every applicable crit will be, but it sounds significant. We'll see how that works out. [/QUOTE]

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