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<blockquote data-quote="the Jester" data-source="post: 198558" data-attributes="member: 1210">Well, I'm playing a long-running ranger/rogue dwarf in a game, and he's lots of fun.I'm 12th level.&nbsp; I took my first 6 levels as straight ranger, then decided to take the 20% xp penalty for five levels of rogue.&nbsp; Not because I don't like rangers, but because:A) the party needed a rogueB) the things I always failed at seemed to be because of a lack of skill pointsC) I have a relatively low wisdom.If I'd put a higher stat in wisdom I'd have kept going as a straight ranger, but no bonus 2nd-level spell made me decide to multiclass.Now, in our party the fighter hits a little more often per strike and does a little more damage on average, especially against tougher creatures.&nbsp; But I strike more often, and with just one ally to flank with my damage increases by 3d6 per hit; this could be (at this point) an extra 9d6 per round from my sneak attack.&nbsp; I could have another attack, too, if I took improved two-weapon fighting; but I am working towards the tempest prestige class and I'll get I2WF when I take my first level of it, so I've decided to let that one ride for a while.&nbsp; Overall, though, I've never felt that my character was underpowered.&nbsp; My stats are spread out more than a fighter's would be and I lost all my magic items a couple of months ago; even so I contribute to my party in many ways.&nbsp; I keep us from getting lost when we travel.&nbsp; I find our enemies by their tracks.&nbsp; I find the traps in the dungeons we delve and I lay the alarm spell that protects us at night.&nbsp; I scout ahead, unafraid of running into a tough monster; I can handle it or survive a round of terrible damage.&nbsp; And besides, odds are good it won't see or hear me.Granted, the six levels of rogue play into all of that; but other than finding traps I was doing all that stuff before I took any rogue levels.I like rangers.&nbsp; The four skill points (and all the best skills except tumble as class skills) are great combined with a d10 for hp.Think of rangers as being akin to the psychic warrior, but instead of a fighter/psion hybrid it blends a cup of fighter with half a cup each of druid and rogue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="the Jester, post: 198558, member: 1210"] Well, I'm playing a long-running ranger/rogue dwarf in a game, and he's lots of fun. I'm 12th level. I took my first 6 levels as straight ranger, then decided to take the 20% xp penalty for five levels of rogue. Not because I don't like rangers, but because: A) the party needed a rogue B) the things I always failed at seemed to be because of a lack of skill points C) I have a relatively low wisdom. If I'd put a higher stat in wisdom I'd have kept going as a straight ranger, but no bonus 2nd-level spell made me decide to multiclass. Now, in our party the fighter hits a little more often per strike and does a little more damage on average, especially against tougher creatures. But I strike more often, and with just one ally to flank with my damage increases by 3d6 per hit; this could be (at this point) an extra 9d6 per round from my sneak attack. I could have another attack, too, if I took improved two-weapon fighting; but I am working towards the tempest prestige class and I'll get I2WF when I take my first level of it, so I've decided to let that one ride for a while. Overall, though, I've never felt that my character was underpowered. My stats are spread out more than a fighter's would be and I lost all my magic items a couple of months ago; even so I contribute to my party in many ways. I keep us from getting lost when we travel. I find our enemies by their tracks. I find the traps in the dungeons we delve and I lay the alarm spell that protects us at night. I scout ahead, unafraid of running into a tough monster; I can handle it or survive a round of terrible damage. And besides, odds are good it won't see or hear me. Granted, the six levels of rogue play into all of that; but other than finding traps I was doing all that stuff before I took any rogue levels. I like rangers. The four skill points (and all the best skills except tumble as class skills) are great combined with a d10 for hp. Think of rangers as being akin to the psychic warrior, but instead of a fighter/psion hybrid it blends a cup of fighter with half a cup each of druid and rogue. [/QUOTE]

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