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<blockquote data-quote="kelvinaw273" data-source="post: 2994140" data-attributes="member: 43172"><p><strong>Actually I completely disagree ......</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On the other hand a spellcaster gets lots more spells than a psion gets powers. Also, when a spell inflicts extra damage, does it take up a higher spell slot? That is what a psion augmenting a power has to do, ineffect. Your point about using componants to spellcasting is taken, but then compare the number of spells and powers each has, and the total number of spells a spellcaster can cast compared to fully augmented powers the psionic character can cast, and the spell-caster is well ahead.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Costing more points is the equivilent of raising spell level to a psionic character. Sure they get 6-10 tries - but what can they do afterwards? After the spellcaster's attempts, they can try umpteen other spells to affect an enemy.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Not like, say, a Favoured Soul/Sorcerer/Mystic Theurge?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All of these take no account of the COST of augmentation, which effectively raises the level of the power - a 1st level power augmented can become the equivilent of a 3rd level spell, but remember that a spellcaster has both the 1st and the 3rd level spell where the psionic (less powers than spells) has only the one power.</p><p></p><p>Basically, the psionic is no more "broken" than the Warlock or the CoD. What you must consider is the nature of the three kinds of magic. Take three runners: one specializes in the 5000 meters one runs marathons, and one is a sprinter on the 200 meters. Which is best? Well, the marathon runner is the equivilent of the warlock - he can go for longer than the others, but he is slower (less damage output per round). The 5000 meter runner (the conventional spellcaster) can go faster (better damage output per round) and put on a good sprint finish to boot (he can really jack it up if he has too) - but he cannot go for as long; Your typical 3-4 encounter day and he is worn out. Now the psionic is like a sprinter, he can go well faster than either of the others (really amazing damage output over a few rounds) but after that he's done, he has to rest.</p><p></p><p>Now which of these is broken? Obviously none of them. The psion has to sit back until he is really needed, husbanding his power points until he really has to go for it. The spellcaster can be freeer with his spells, but can still run out, and he can still do a strong burst if he has too. The Warlock can hammer away all day, but has little options when it comes to boosting it. It's all a question of balancing - if the DM allows the party only one encounter a day and lets them rest whenever they want, the psionic is King over the others. If he forces the party onward and onward never letting them rest, the Warlock rules the roost. If either class comes across as "borken" perhaps the DM should reconsider his tactics?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kelvinaw273, post: 2994140, member: 43172"] [b]Actually I completely disagree ......[/b] On the other hand a spellcaster gets lots more spells than a psion gets powers. Also, when a spell inflicts extra damage, does it take up a higher spell slot? That is what a psion augmenting a power has to do, ineffect. Your point about using componants to spellcasting is taken, but then compare the number of spells and powers each has, and the total number of spells a spellcaster can cast compared to fully augmented powers the psionic character can cast, and the spell-caster is well ahead. Costing more points is the equivilent of raising spell level to a psionic character. Sure they get 6-10 tries - but what can they do afterwards? After the spellcaster's attempts, they can try umpteen other spells to affect an enemy. Not like, say, a Favoured Soul/Sorcerer/Mystic Theurge? All of these take no account of the COST of augmentation, which effectively raises the level of the power - a 1st level power augmented can become the equivilent of a 3rd level spell, but remember that a spellcaster has both the 1st and the 3rd level spell where the psionic (less powers than spells) has only the one power. Basically, the psionic is no more "broken" than the Warlock or the CoD. What you must consider is the nature of the three kinds of magic. Take three runners: one specializes in the 5000 meters one runs marathons, and one is a sprinter on the 200 meters. Which is best? Well, the marathon runner is the equivilent of the warlock - he can go for longer than the others, but he is slower (less damage output per round). The 5000 meter runner (the conventional spellcaster) can go faster (better damage output per round) and put on a good sprint finish to boot (he can really jack it up if he has too) - but he cannot go for as long; Your typical 3-4 encounter day and he is worn out. Now the psionic is like a sprinter, he can go well faster than either of the others (really amazing damage output over a few rounds) but after that he's done, he has to rest. Now which of these is broken? Obviously none of them. The psion has to sit back until he is really needed, husbanding his power points until he really has to go for it. The spellcaster can be freeer with his spells, but can still run out, and he can still do a strong burst if he has too. The Warlock can hammer away all day, but has little options when it comes to boosting it. It's all a question of balancing - if the DM allows the party only one encounter a day and lets them rest whenever they want, the psionic is King over the others. If he forces the party onward and onward never letting them rest, the Warlock rules the roost. If either class comes across as "borken" perhaps the DM should reconsider his tactics? [/QUOTE]
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