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Why Psionics is broken and what to do to fix it
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<blockquote data-quote="Dwarmaj" data-source="post: 2994382" data-attributes="member: 1493"><p>Yes a Psion can go Nova and burn through a bunch of points quickly, but the party as a whole generally pays for it later.</p><p></p><p>You guys also seem to be overlooking a couple of major issues.</p><p>Psionic powers generally don't auto scale. It's been brought up a couple of times, seems to keep getting ignored. A 10th Wizards lightning bolt does 10d6 and uses a 3rd level slot. A Psion manifesting a 3rd level energy bolt does 5d6. He can increase the damage to 10d6 by <strong>spending</strong> more points on it. </p><p></p><p>Also, there is no Heighten Power feat. So all of those heavily augmented low level powers are stopped by globe spells and are treated as low level powers verse turning or absorption.</p><p></p><p>Oh, @wildstarsreach</p><p>You spent 126 power point just to buff up for a single encounter? How many encounters per day do you guys run. You should have about 230 (14th Psion with 28Int) power points and can only keep that up 1-2 times. You'll be pretty useless for the 3rd and 4th encounters for the day.</p><p></p><p>4Psion/3Wiz/10Cerebremancer is < 17th Psion</p><p>Sure you gain a lot of low level spells, but you loose out on high level powers, points, feats, and augmentation limits (unless you have Practiced Manifester).</p><p></p><p>P4/W3/C10 (228psp with 28Int)</p><p>Gain Spells levels 1-7, 7,6,6,6,6,4,3,2</p><p>Gain Scribe Scroll</p><p>Gain ability to use arcane wands/staves, scrolls</p><p>Has 14 manifester levels and 13 caster levels (easily dispelled by a 17th caster)</p><p>Taking Practiced Manifester does help, but uses a feat (not something this character has a lot of)</p><p></p><p>P17 (326psp with 28 Int)</p><p>Has 3 bonus Psionic/MetaPsionic feats</p><p>Has 3 8th and 1 9th level power</p><p>Has 17th level Manifester level</p><p></p><p>The dual caster or caster/manifester classes look good at first glance, but generally aren't as powerful as a straght caster or manifester.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dwarmaj, post: 2994382, member: 1493"] Yes a Psion can go Nova and burn through a bunch of points quickly, but the party as a whole generally pays for it later. You guys also seem to be overlooking a couple of major issues. Psionic powers generally don't auto scale. It's been brought up a couple of times, seems to keep getting ignored. A 10th Wizards lightning bolt does 10d6 and uses a 3rd level slot. A Psion manifesting a 3rd level energy bolt does 5d6. He can increase the damage to 10d6 by [B]spending[/B] more points on it. Also, there is no Heighten Power feat. So all of those heavily augmented low level powers are stopped by globe spells and are treated as low level powers verse turning or absorption. Oh, @wildstarsreach You spent 126 power point just to buff up for a single encounter? How many encounters per day do you guys run. You should have about 230 (14th Psion with 28Int) power points and can only keep that up 1-2 times. You'll be pretty useless for the 3rd and 4th encounters for the day. 4Psion/3Wiz/10Cerebremancer is < 17th Psion Sure you gain a lot of low level spells, but you loose out on high level powers, points, feats, and augmentation limits (unless you have Practiced Manifester). P4/W3/C10 (228psp with 28Int) Gain Spells levels 1-7, 7,6,6,6,6,4,3,2 Gain Scribe Scroll Gain ability to use arcane wands/staves, scrolls Has 14 manifester levels and 13 caster levels (easily dispelled by a 17th caster) Taking Practiced Manifester does help, but uses a feat (not something this character has a lot of) P17 (326psp with 28 Int) Has 3 bonus Psionic/MetaPsionic feats Has 3 8th and 1 9th level power Has 17th level Manifester level The dual caster or caster/manifester classes look good at first glance, but generally aren't as powerful as a straght caster or manifester. [/QUOTE]
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