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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Valor" data-source="post: 2995536" data-attributes="member: 43161">Wildstarsearch I feel from your response that you are under the impression that we are getting a bit harsh. After looking over my recent post I think you are probably right. I apologize, it was not my intention. I very much do not want to inflame anti Psionic hatred. About the Metapsionic feats. You’re right I had completely forgotten about the Psionic focus helled by the psi crystal. Since none of my characters I DM for use one nor myself when I play uses one, the idea of them had sloped my mind. Bu yes you are right this is a way to possibly use more then one Metapsionic feat at the same time or to use them in a following consecutive round. The only way I thought it worked was with the Metapower feat from Complete Psionic. But manifesting most (not all), powers is a full round action, and I am almost sure that manifesting Metapsionic powers is always a full round action (except of the Quickened feat). Since getting your Psionic focus back is at least a move action, it is very hard to keep blasting away with Metapsionic feats If I had to play a class for a long time I would chose Psion. As I have done since the XPH came out. I find the class to be very enjoyable and I continue to play Psions (mind you I choose different disciplines from time to time). It does look like we will just have to agree to disagree. While I don’t believe Psionics is unbalanced, especially when taken into consideration with magic. I do think that it does need some refinement that I have found it to be lacking. While I love the overall flavor and mechanics of the Psionics system, there are parts or it, that seemed to have been really good ideas that were either rushed through to be finished for a deadline or that were never finished at all. I do have a question though. When you say that Psionics (an abusive system) needs to be scaled back to balance with other classes. Do you mean all classes or just the Wizard classes and its Prestige classes? I have always found, especially at higher levels that caster classes of all kinds will outdo the other classes by a lot in many aspects of the game. So I am very curious as to what you want to have it balanced to. I am very confused over many of the aspects of your posts Wildstarsearch. You gave a very detailed example of how your character acts in battle and said it was overpowered. Tikiman hit it right on the nose. If you are not facing the proper number of challenges in you campaign then take that into account and realize that most caster classes will be way way too powerful and ban them all. These classes and concepts were tested at length by WotC and they found them to be acceptable. If your campaign doesn’t want to go by the same standards that they were meant to be used and tested in…well how it is that its the concepts that are broken and not the that the style of play makes them broken? Tikiman even had solutions for you as a player and ideas to take to your DM. And you shut him down for it. Why? I figure as (I am assuming) adult D&D players of many years we have enough maturity to have nice civilized talks about something we all have in common and all seem to really enjoy. Heck I have a hard enough time finding people who don’t look at me funny if I tell them I am into D&D that its is very depressing and cruel to be so dismissed and treated in such a way by my comrades in my beloved hobby.Many people see the problem and a lot of them find your discussions have a lot of merit. Myself included. While I enjoy Psionics a great deal I am always open to the idea that they can be improved in a number of fashions. As a 44 years old player how can you go “nova” then decide that there is a problem with the system because you did something you know that you probably shouldn’t have done. Sure most caster class characters can go Nova, but it defeats the purpose of playing the game. As a DM I tell me players that I know that being experienced players that they know how to go “nova” but that they shouldn’t cause it can ruin the game in so many ways. As for cutting out all those who don’t believe the exact same as you. How do you expect to get a proper discussion with only like minded people? While simply telling you that you’re wrong is well…wrong, if they give a detailed and logical explanation then how can you shut them out for it?Lastly, being that you said it yourself. A 44 year old gamer(that’s rocks by the way) that has been playing for 30 years, a veteran by all accounts. That playing the game is not about you and your buddies getting together and enjoying the adventure. Then what in hell are you playing for?Valor</blockquote>

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