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<blockquote data-quote="Marcus Smythe" data-source="post: 2995765" data-attributes="member: 43198"><p>Players who like psionics would, if they had 5c for every 'Psionics is Broken' cry, have alot more free time to play D+D.</p><p>Perhaps you have been tarred with the broad brush of such complaints, because the phenomenal majority of them stem from misreadings of the rules, inadequate encounters per day and/or non-combat challenges to stretch the Psions more limited resources, or perhaps because Psionics does in fact do some things that other caster classes have not done.</p><p></p><p>There may be a desensitizing effect going on here... players and GMs are used to Mages doing X, or Clerics doing Y, or Druids doing Z... but Psions are 'the new kid on the block', and when they prove that they can do P (though perhaps being unable to do X, or Y, or Z), where P is something that casters havent classically done well in 3.5, players and GMs respond negatively.</p><p></p><p>Past editions may also be responsible for it... earlier editions of psionics tended to suffer from their tendancy to be simultaneously very weak, and very subject to abuse. Given a weak-but-abuseable system, players tended to make those abusive choices.. and shoot right past the 'normal party balance' into minor godhood. This has made any instance where psionics does anything as well (much less better) than the Arcane crowd a rallying-cry for the 'nerf the new guy' foundation.</p><p></p><p>As practical advice? You say yourself that your a good, and effective, player. Either intentionally reign in your own effectiveness, hang up your psion for a while. If you can make a psion shine (and a Cerebremancer, at that... hmm... perhaps MAGIC is broken, not Psionics, Mr. 'mancer... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> perhaps you can really shock your fellow players by going full-court jungle-ball with Divine casting. If you actually dont know how to press-button-and-win with Divine casters, Ill point you over to the WoTC Character Optimization Boards, and say things like 'Nightstick' and 'Divine Metamagic' to put your feet on the proper path to power. Likely you already know those things. If you dont, ask the nice people there for the a powerful lvl 17 divine caster (limit them to no more books than your Cerebremancer uses, to make it slightly interesting). I assure you that the trained professional can take Core+Complete+Eberron (I assume the feats you use that I dont recognize are Eberron) and turn out something that makes the 'mancer you use in game look positively tame.</p><p></p><p>Barring that, delete everything in the entirety of WoTC Cannon that has the words 'Quicken' or 'Time' or 'Persistent' or 'Extra Action' or any of that stuff.</p><p></p><p>Barring that, dont play a full-court jungleball character (though I maintain its half-court college ball) in a 'suburban game of horse' game. I think the problem is that you came to play ball, and your fellow players didnt.</p><p></p><p>That said, I still think your fellow players/GMs need to see a full court jungle ball CoDzilla, if they think PSIONICS has balance issues.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marcus Smythe, post: 2995765, member: 43198"] Players who like psionics would, if they had 5c for every 'Psionics is Broken' cry, have alot more free time to play D+D. Perhaps you have been tarred with the broad brush of such complaints, because the phenomenal majority of them stem from misreadings of the rules, inadequate encounters per day and/or non-combat challenges to stretch the Psions more limited resources, or perhaps because Psionics does in fact do some things that other caster classes have not done. There may be a desensitizing effect going on here... players and GMs are used to Mages doing X, or Clerics doing Y, or Druids doing Z... but Psions are 'the new kid on the block', and when they prove that they can do P (though perhaps being unable to do X, or Y, or Z), where P is something that casters havent classically done well in 3.5, players and GMs respond negatively. Past editions may also be responsible for it... earlier editions of psionics tended to suffer from their tendancy to be simultaneously very weak, and very subject to abuse. Given a weak-but-abuseable system, players tended to make those abusive choices.. and shoot right past the 'normal party balance' into minor godhood. This has made any instance where psionics does anything as well (much less better) than the Arcane crowd a rallying-cry for the 'nerf the new guy' foundation. As practical advice? You say yourself that your a good, and effective, player. Either intentionally reign in your own effectiveness, hang up your psion for a while. If you can make a psion shine (and a Cerebremancer, at that... hmm... perhaps MAGIC is broken, not Psionics, Mr. 'mancer... :) perhaps you can really shock your fellow players by going full-court jungle-ball with Divine casting. If you actually dont know how to press-button-and-win with Divine casters, Ill point you over to the WoTC Character Optimization Boards, and say things like 'Nightstick' and 'Divine Metamagic' to put your feet on the proper path to power. Likely you already know those things. If you dont, ask the nice people there for the a powerful lvl 17 divine caster (limit them to no more books than your Cerebremancer uses, to make it slightly interesting). I assure you that the trained professional can take Core+Complete+Eberron (I assume the feats you use that I dont recognize are Eberron) and turn out something that makes the 'mancer you use in game look positively tame. Barring that, delete everything in the entirety of WoTC Cannon that has the words 'Quicken' or 'Time' or 'Persistent' or 'Extra Action' or any of that stuff. Barring that, dont play a full-court jungleball character (though I maintain its half-court college ball) in a 'suburban game of horse' game. I think the problem is that you came to play ball, and your fellow players didnt. That said, I still think your fellow players/GMs need to see a full court jungle ball CoDzilla, if they think PSIONICS has balance issues. [/QUOTE]
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