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<blockquote data-quote="Tikiman" data-source="post: 3004786" data-attributes="member: 43159"><p>Sorry, my bad. I'm used to people posting things like what you said as actual proofs that the 73k dmg build isn't the king of nova. And the build wasn't meant for actual use either. The creator never expected to see it in play. Think of it more like you would Pun-Pun; as an example of just how far the rules can really be taken. The purpose of the Nova Myth thread was to reply to the dozens of 'Psions are teh kings of Nova, they ruin games' posts. It did seem to do a good job of stopping those posts.</p><p></p><p></p><p>All wise decisions, but this is another thing that the Nova Myth thread brought to light. When people saw a wizard doing 73k damage their responses were similar to yours. It was the fault of non-core material, it would never actually be allowed at the table, and best of all, it was the player's fault. Nobody even came close to saying that the wizard was overpowered despite what he was clearly, and legally, capable of doing.</p><p></p><p>Now look at what happens when people post similar things about psions. The instant reply is 'psionics are overpowered, and therefore must be banned/nerfed'. Nobody bothered to look at the character and realize that he was a rediculous monster build, or that he was a one trick pony and turned into a level 20 commoner after he was done. When the forums pointed out the fact that it was the players fault for building such a character (and the DM's for allowing it) the response was ignored/shot down and the 'ban psionics' posts just kept coming. Psions were clearly subject to a double standard.</p><p></p><p>No offense intended, but look at the OP here. His character is 50% wizard, 50% psion. He's one of the highest level characters in a group, with the most magic items, and with clearly the best build of the bunch. Despite all this his initial reaction was 'psionics did it, and therefore must be nerfed'. And people jumped on the bandwagon. Nobody wanted to fix the problem; they wanted to fix the psion. It took 6 pages of posts, including some from his own DM, to get him to change his opinion and realize that maybe the psion class wasn't the problem (not that Temporal Acceleration isn't a barrel of fiendish were-monkies).</p><p></p><p>It's this attitude that has earned psions the nickname 'red-headed stepchild of WotC'. Well, that and quantum singularities of bull!@#$ like Complete Psionic. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Psi-fans are just a bit jaded and tired of reminding people 'don't blame the psion, blame the player'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tikiman, post: 3004786, member: 43159"] Sorry, my bad. I'm used to people posting things like what you said as actual proofs that the 73k dmg build isn't the king of nova. And the build wasn't meant for actual use either. The creator never expected to see it in play. Think of it more like you would Pun-Pun; as an example of just how far the rules can really be taken. The purpose of the Nova Myth thread was to reply to the dozens of 'Psions are teh kings of Nova, they ruin games' posts. It did seem to do a good job of stopping those posts. All wise decisions, but this is another thing that the Nova Myth thread brought to light. When people saw a wizard doing 73k damage their responses were similar to yours. It was the fault of non-core material, it would never actually be allowed at the table, and best of all, it was the player's fault. Nobody even came close to saying that the wizard was overpowered despite what he was clearly, and legally, capable of doing. Now look at what happens when people post similar things about psions. The instant reply is 'psionics are overpowered, and therefore must be banned/nerfed'. Nobody bothered to look at the character and realize that he was a rediculous monster build, or that he was a one trick pony and turned into a level 20 commoner after he was done. When the forums pointed out the fact that it was the players fault for building such a character (and the DM's for allowing it) the response was ignored/shot down and the 'ban psionics' posts just kept coming. Psions were clearly subject to a double standard. No offense intended, but look at the OP here. His character is 50% wizard, 50% psion. He's one of the highest level characters in a group, with the most magic items, and with clearly the best build of the bunch. Despite all this his initial reaction was 'psionics did it, and therefore must be nerfed'. And people jumped on the bandwagon. Nobody wanted to fix the problem; they wanted to fix the psion. It took 6 pages of posts, including some from his own DM, to get him to change his opinion and realize that maybe the psion class wasn't the problem (not that Temporal Acceleration isn't a barrel of fiendish were-monkies). It's this attitude that has earned psions the nickname 'red-headed stepchild of WotC'. Well, that and quantum singularities of bull!@#$ like Complete Psionic. ;) Psi-fans are just a bit jaded and tired of reminding people 'don't blame the psion, blame the player'. [/QUOTE]
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